Getting rid of Google, Microsoft, Meta etc - alternatives?

Hey @Whying_Dutchman , whenever you get a chance. Vielen Dank im Voraus.

I just asked Perplexity:

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***Yes, FRITZ!Box routers can work with Bouygues Telecom in France, but it requires specific setup depending on whether you have DSL/ADSL or fiber (FTTH), and Bouygues does not always guarantee full router freedom like in Germany.*fritz+1

DSL/ADSL Connections

FRITZ!Box supports most European ADSL/VDSL standards used by providers like Bouygues.[fritz]​
You typically need PPPoE credentials from Bouygues, which you can request via their support; configure them in the FRITZ!OS under "Internet > Account Information."fritz+1
Forum users report success with models like 7590 after obtaining login details, though French law limits mandatory router freedom.ip-phone-forum+1

Fiber (FTTH) Connections

Bouygues fiber uses an integrated ONT in the Bbox, so direct FRITZ!Box replacement isn’t straightforward without an external ONT.[lafibre]​
Contact Bouygues support (chat or phone) post-installation to request a separate Nokia ONT (GPON or XGS-PON for high speeds), then connect via Ethernet or SFP to a compatible FRITZ!Box like 5590 Fiber.[lafibre]​
Use PPPoE passthrough if keeping the Bbox temporarily: enable in FRITZ!Box under “Internet > Account Information > Allow other devices own connections,” but confirm no extra fees with Bouygues.fritz+1

Key Considerations

  • Test DSL annex (A or J) in FRITZ!Box settings for Bouygues ADSL.[ip-phone-forum]​

  • Features like DECT phones may not work in passthrough mode.[reddit]​

  • For best results, chat Bouygues support after Bbox install—they often approve external ONT quickly for fiber.[lafibre]​
    Official AVM guides list no Bouygues-specific instructions, so custom config is needed.fritz+1

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Best thing is to first ask Fritzbox support. They are quite helpful.

After they gave you advice, talk to Bouygues. I think it’s better to be prepared by Fritzbox support - they will tell you which model to use and how to approach Bouygues.

Otherwise your experience will be like this:

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Thanks. That’s a funny clip. I see that the Python’s have dealt with Bouygues before. :rofl:

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I’m thinking of alternatives to stop completely using my Gmail. I don’t want to delete old emails, but I don’t want to import everything into Proton, because I have more messages in Gmail than I have space left in Protonmail (moving all would mean having to pay for more storage).

Have you considered installing in the computer an email app like Thunderbird, and then configure your Gmail account in the app using POP3 instead of Google’s default of IMAP? This way all the messages in Gmail would be downloaded into the computer and deleted from Gmail at the same time. It would be a quick and simple way to get everything out, keeping it, without having to pay for more storage space in Proton or other service. The downside is that having the old gmail messages only on the PC is not being able to access them through the phone.

I “switched” from Gmail into Proton years ago, but still kept using Gmail for some cases, and in a few years it turned out to be a lot of messages. I want to stop using Gmail for good, but I still have some things going on there. So I think the fastest way to empty my Gmail is to use an email app like Thunderbird to download the old and new messages away from there. The idea is to keep the Gmail account as empty as possible.

What do you think? Pros, cons, suggestions?

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I do have Thunderbird as my main email client installed now.

But for backups I use MailStore - it’s absolutely great (and free). As far as I know you can export from MailStore to an offline file for your Email client (Thunderbird, Outlook etc.
I plan to convert all my PST backups with Mailstore to Thunderbird, eventually.

You could put the offline files on your cloud. Problem solved…

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Thanks! I didn’t know about it. More things to investigate! :grin:

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MailStore is a life saver! I have used it many times to help people rescue their old emails while migrating to something new.

It’s a must have tool!

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I wish it could read Eudora mailbox files. Apparently there isn’t anything similar in format, so importing them anywhere causes some errors, and loss or metadata. I used to love Eudora! But they had to kill her! I used to love her, but they had to kill her. They had to put her six feet under, and I can still hear her complain (sorry, Guns N’ Roses glitch :rofl: )

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Perplexity:

Eudora mailbox files (.mbx) are typically stored in the application’s data folder on Windows systems.comp.eudora.ms-windows.narkive+1

Standard Location

The default path for Eudora mailboxes, TOC index files (.toc), and related data (like attachments or nicknames) is %AppData%\Qualcomm\Eudora—expand this via Windows Run (Win+R) by typing %appdata% then navigating to Qualcomm > Eudora.bitrecover+1
On older Windows versions (XP or earlier), it’s often C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\Qualcomm\Eudora.[][]
IMAP mailboxes may sit under Qualcomm\Eudora\Imap\[account]\ within the same structure.[bitrecover]​

Mailstore Context

MailStore Home/Server can archive these directly: Point it to the Eudora folder above, select .mbx files (e.g., In.mbx, Out.mbx), and it imports emails with metadata intact.[bitrecover]​
Enable hidden files/folders in Explorer if AppData isn’t visible, and avoid Program Files paths post-Windows Vista due to permissions issues.groups.google+1
For backups, copy the entire Eudora folder to preserve settings alongside mailboxes.[groups.google]​

Is this for archiving old Eudora data into MailStore on a specific Windows version?

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I made a backup of all Eudora data many years ago. I can’t even remember the windows version I had back then. I still have my ancient laptop (which is more than 20 years old), but my husband accidentally threw away the computer charger. I’m not sure I even remember the password. But I have a backup of everything.

I once tried to import it all into Thunderbird, but it didn’t work well. I researched the matter, and I read I should try with an even older version of Thunderbird, but that would have to be installed in the same old computer where Eudora is. Fat chance of that happening.

I was able to import several Eudora messages to Thunderbird, and from there to Protonmail. Some messages didn’t lose information at all. Some are blank. Some lost some metadata.

Just get the harddisk out and connect it to your PC with a USB adapter. If the files are there you can likely read them.
It’s unlikely that the harddisk is scrambled. But even then there are ways…

Something like this can read anything, even old IDE.

https://www.amazon.de/Amtake-Festplatte-Adapter-Konverter,Unterstützt-Netzteil/dp/B0D2L1C2GJ?th=1

If it’s a SATA harddisk, you can get adapters for about 15€…

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MailStore!!!

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I have the backups. I could try importing them into MailStore and see what happens.

But even when I open some of them in notepad, I can see some odd (corrupted) information in them.

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Then again, there’s this.

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Without subscribing:

https://archive.ph/gx6U4

What I find important here:

Edward Shone, head of communications for Proton AG, the company behind Proton Mail, told 404 Media in an email: “We want to first clarify that Proton did not provide any information to the FBI, the information was obtained from the Swiss justice department via MLAT. Proton only provides the limited information that we have when issued with a legally binding order from Swiss authorities, which can only happen after all Swiss legal checks are passed. This is an important distinction because Proton operates exclusively under Swiss law.”

Personally, I would rely more on countries where the democracy and separation of powers still works, government agencies and legal entities are not weaponized or used for political benefit of the ruling party and its friends and (international) law is not ignored or broken.
This is the case for most (but not all) EU countries, and - I guess - Switzerland too.

I am not against sharing data with the US, for example. But this should happen only if it complies with our laws…

It is scary, though, how things could change with one election.

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I have many, many thoughts on this that I will keep to myself out of respect for the few forum rules we have :rofl:

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Things to consider…

I recently added a paid Proton Mail account. Their “Import via Easy Switch” set up mail forwarding to Proton from my 2 Gmail accounts. The huge problem was that it imported folders and emails as labels and didn’t recreate the folder structure in their Folders section. The left column in their mail app isn’t resizable, so all you can see is the first part of the label. 100% unusable. So, I deleted all of the labels (folders and emails) that they’d imported. Then I discovered Proton Bridge (only available for paid Proton Mail, not free). I then added my Proton Mail account to Thunderbird, with all emails being encrypted through the bridge. Once I migrate all of my 100+ product accounts from one of my old email addresses to my Proton address, I hope to be able to drag all of the old emails in the Gmail folders into Proton Mail and eventually delete those 2 accounts from Thunderbird, so only the Proton Mail account is live. Then I’ll decide on whether to keep using Thunderbird or switch to the Proton Mail app.

One other thing that caught me out was the forwarding that Easy Switch set up. It only sets up email forwarding. It imports the two Google calendars, but there’s no forwarding of events added after the import. I don’t use the Google Calendar apps, but there’s a fantastic Android app called ACalendar+ that has the BEST widget for viewing upcoming events. The Proton calendar widget for Android doesn’t come close, so I am not currently using the Proton calender. I still need to work my way through that.

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That’s why some states don’t have elections, want to avoid elections or make them at least “predictable” … democracy is for trouble makers :slight_smile:

But @howard is right:

Let’s stick to freeing us from tyranny and big tech (same thing) by using at least GDPR/DSA compliant software. I think, everybody can agree to that, no matter their philosophy.

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