Getting rid of Google, Microsoft, Meta etc - alternatives?

I can live with that: I have spent most of my life without using any AI, so for the few remaining years, I think I can manage to limit my AI usage as much as possible :slight_smile:

In my opinion, AI has more disadvantages than advantages … and I sincerely hope the whole AI industry crashes!!!

Don’t we have other, more pressing issues to invest billions and billions of dollars and lots of energy in???

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All these platforms still track you when you visit any random website, even if you don’t use them anymore. You also need to consider a strict ad blocker, like PiHole or AdGuard.

Your ISP is also tracking you. That is easily solved with Quad9 DNS or VPNs.

Your emails can also be traced, even if using PGP. PGP only prevents people from reading your email.

The credit card companies know everything you do online. You should also consider your digital spending. I know people who only pay in cash. However, the government also knows about your money as banks report things back to the central bank, and you file your taxes every year.

There are just too many things to completely hide yourself from prying eyes, and it is hard to switch a few things.

For example, YouTube, there’s not much of an alternative. Same for streaming services, unless you want to use the alternative methods.

Family and friends will still be on such platforms, and if you want to reach some of them, you still need the given platform. The best is to limit the interaction and what you share online, instead of nuking every single major tech app.

As a tech person, the best advice I can give is for you to run services locally on your network. It is a lot of work to set up your own infra, and it comes with its own problems. That is why I don’t run everything, but only a few things, mainly data storage.

For email, I can recommend Migadu and Proton (which has similar services to Google), but there are many other European privacy-friendly services.

For phone, there’s nothing at the Android or iOS level, the best option is still Android, but a degoogled version of it. Apple is also very privacy-friendly in its own way.

For PC, Linux is great. I’ve been daily driving it since the 2010s. Ubuntu is a good start, but there are many other distros, I use openSUSE. SteamOS is a Windows killer for gaming.

I have spent time trying the same, and I decided that the best is not to stop using it, but limit the things I upload to their servers.

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Yeah, I know!

I don’t wanna go in hiding, UNA bomber style :slight_smile:
Just wanna get rid of dependencies, be it big tech or roque & unfriendly states.

If some company or some state decides to switch off digital access for Europeans, I want to keep using my devices, that’s the basic idea.
Also, I want to make it as hard as possible to access my data, hence GDPR / DSA compliance.
But I am realistic: there will be trade offs. That will be a problem for another day …
I expect this little project to go in small steps, taking one or two years..

I run quite a lot of services locally anyways, so that’s good - I have 80-100TByte local server space, just saying :slight_smile:

Linux turns out to be an issue, especially for music production. As long as plugins (VST) don’t run properly, I will remain on Windows.

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yeah for one thing it would make it harder to send your manifestos

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LOL!!!

I’ll post it at TalkingBass :slight_smile:

That’s basically where Im at. I really really want to move to Linux, I don’t like what Microsoft is doing with all their agentic bullshit. But I spend a great deal of times playing video games, and while gaming on Linux is currently in the best place that’s ever been, using gyro for aiming is still a complete bitch and all of my controllers have gyro. Lol. That’s the wall for me. I’m hoping to pick up a second (cheap) computer in the meantime this year to play around with Linux (using Bazzite, a gaming-centered distro) more extensively without losing my main rig to do it. It works great on Steam, but any other launcher is a problem getting gyro to work with Proton.

Meanwhile, I’m still going to do what I can to minimize my footprint. I just can’t vibe with the idea of not changing anything if you can’t fix everything.

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That was in fact what was holding me back for quite a long time.
But with everything happening currently there is a need for a plan B.

I have three Dell Optiplex Micros lying around, that I use for experiments. Two of them run Hackintosh, but one does nothing, so that will be my experimental LINUX machine.
I’m now in the process of choosing a distro

  • Mint, cause it’s simple
  • Ubuntu Studio, cause it’s made for music and video production
  • Bazzite, cause it’s optimized for Steam. Maybe it can be used for other Windows App stuff too?
  • tbd - open for suggenstions

I will install all my apps one by one, test and retest, and see how it performs. Hopefully I can fix the d@mn VST challenge…

EDIT

  • Bazzite is not a candidate anymore as it will not work properly with the Linux version of Fender Studio One Pro
  • I might use KVM to run native Windows apps within a Linux VM. It’s supposed to have 95% native speed. That would be great!
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Bazzite has a great desktop. Running windows apps will require knowledge of Bottles, which manages Wine, Proton, DXVK (DX11 to Vulcan) and VKD3D (DX12 to Vulcan).

I used PCLOS as a family distro on all our PCs for years. It’s very windows-like and intuitive, might check that out.

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Bazzite (and SteamOS) are both basically just linux + Crossover (which Valve modified and have a new name, but it’s still Crossover) with a nicer looking desktop/game launcher.

Crossover is a gaming optimized wrapper around WINE.

None of this is magic. Crossover is actually a nice product, it takes a lot of the tedium you would normally have with WINE.

I’ve done all this several times now, ranging from doing all the winecfg stuff myself up through using Crossover completely and never touching a config file.

It’s still not fully baked (as of the last time I tried it, which was about six months ago). There’s lots and lots of compatibility issues with various games and other apps.

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(interestingly, PS5’s OS is based on FreeBSD with a lot of Sony modifications and game development APIs. And of course MacOS is based on Darwin, which is based on CMU’s Mach kernel in another BSD derivative. Unix itself is fine for gaming, but really works better when the game devs need to specifically target it. Compatibility layers like WINE/Crossover/Proton are simply always going to have janky issues).

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I use PCs mostly for playing video games and Word. Before I am advised on suitable word processors, I use grammar extensions and submitting to an editor requires specific formatting and that is so much easier in Word. I mean, I want to get rejected because my writing is bad not my formatting, you only get one chance.

I have a lot more worries on my mind than big tech perusing my photos I took of Babymetal on Onedrive. Or my bass tab collection.

I also don’t consider open source any safer.

Here, I asked Gemini for you: (ps i used to be anti-Microsoft back in the mid 90s and i gave up on that :face_with_tongue:)

This is a fantastic, ambitious project. You have already done the ā€œheavy liftingā€ by switching your daily drivers (Browser, Email, Office). Because you are prioritizing European compliance (GDPR/DSA), Open Source, and independence, you have a specific path forward that avoids the common ā€œUS-centricā€ privacy advice.

Here is a roadmap to tackle the remaining ā€œBig Techā€ pillars, specifically tailored to your European/Open Source constraints.

1. The ā€œGoogle Utilityā€ Replacements

You are likely still using Google for Maps, Passwords, and Translation. These are the easiest next steps.

Current Tool The European / Open Source Switch Why?
Google Maps OsmAnd (Netherlands) or Organic Maps (Estonia) OsmAnd is the power-user choice (offline maps, granular detail). Organic Maps is a cleaner, simpler fork ideal for quick navigation. Both use OpenStreetMap data and are strictly GDPR compliant.
Google Translate DeepL (Germany) While proprietary, DeepL is European, GDPR-compliant, and vastly superior to Google in translation quality. For a strict Open Source alternative, look at LibreTranslate (self-hostable).
Google Passwords KeePassXC or Proton Pass (Switzerland) KeePassXC is local-only (database file), meaning zero ā€œforeign influence.ā€ Proton Pass is cloud-based but encrypted and Swiss-domiciled. Bitwarden is also excellent (Open Source) but US-based (though you can self-host it).
YouTube NewPipe or LibreTube (Android) These are ā€œfrontendā€ clients. They let you watch YouTube content without a Google account, without ads, and without tracking.
Phone Link KDE Connect Open Source alternative to link your Android to Windows. Share clipboards, files, and SMS over your local WiFi (no cloud).

2. The Android Problem: You don’t need new hardware

You mentioned Android will be last because you ā€œdon’t know alternatives.ā€ The good news is you do not need to leave Android hardware to leave Google. You can replace the Operating System on your current phones.

  • The Recommendation: /e/OS (by Murena)

    • Origin: France (European non-profit).

    • Concept: It is a ā€œde-Googledā€ version of Android. It looks and feels exactly like the Android you know, but all Google trackers and services have been stripped out.

    • Compliance: Fully GDPR compliant.

    • Ecosystem: They offer ā€œMurena Cloudā€ (based on Nextcloud), which syncs your Contacts, Calendar, and Photos automatically, replacing the Google backend.

    • App Store: It has its own ā€œApp Loungeā€ that lets you download standard Android apps (anonymously) if you still need them.

    • Verification: Check if your current phone models are supported on their device list.

3. The Windows ā€œEmulationā€ Myth

You are waiting for Linux to provide ā€œ100% proper Windows emulation.ā€

  • The Reality Check: You have already solved the emulation problem. You switched to LibreOffice, Thunderbird, Brave, and Signal. These are ā€œCross-Platformā€ apps.

  • The Pivot: You don’t need Linux to emulate Windows; you need Linux to run the apps you use. Since you have already migrated your software stack to tools that run natively on Linux, you barely need Windows emulation anymore.

  • The Remaining Gap (Gaming/Legacy): If you game, Proton (developed by Valve) is now exceptional. In 2026, it runs the vast majority of Windows games near-perfectly.

  • Distro Recommendation: Linux Mint or Zorin OS (Ireland). Zorin specifically allows you to select a ā€œWindows-likeā€ layout that makes the transition seamless.

4. Other ā€œHiddenā€ Influences to scrub

  • 2FA (Google Authenticator): Switch to Aegis Authenticator (Android, Open Source, encrypted backups) or Ente Auth (Open Source, syncs across devices).

  • Google Search: You use Startpage (Dutch), which is great. You can also try SearXNG (a meta-search engine you can self-host or use public European instances) for total independence.

  • Photos: You mentioned Koofr (Slovenia) for storage, but for a ā€œGoogle Photosā€ experience (galleries, timeline), look at Ente Photos. It is E2EE (End-to-End Encrypted), Open Source, and has a strong privacy stance.

  • Social Media: You moved to Bluesky (US-based, decentralized but funded by US tech figures). For true European independence, consider the Fediverse (Mastodon). You can join a specific European instance (like social.network.europa.eu or a local national instance) to ensure your data stays under EU jurisdiction.

Summary Checklist for Next Steps

  1. Phone: Install Organic Maps and Aegis Authenticator immediately.

  2. PC: Install KDE Connect to replace Phone Link.

  3. OS Check: Go to the /e/OS website and check if your current Android phones are compatible. If they are, this solves your ā€œAndroidā€ problem entirely.

  4. Linux Test: Download Linux Mint, put it on a USB stick, and ā€œLive Bootā€ it on your PC. This lets you test your hardware (WiFi, Screen, Sound) without installing it or deleting Windows.

When somebody starts a statement like that, it’s either for a CEO of a big company, the president of a powerful nation, or somebody wants to sell something :slight_smile:

But, @sshoihet, this is a fantastic idea :slight_smile:
So, I did the same with Perplexity Pro. It includes Grok now, so please ignore any Nazi slang and disgusting nude pictures :slight_smile:

Great progress on your de-Googling project—switching to Signal, Bluesky, Brave, FairEmail/Thunderbird, LibreOffice, Koofr, and Startpage aligns well with open-source, GDPR/DSA priorities and your audio production needs. Here are targeted next steps prioritizing privacy, security, compatibility (e.g., Wine/Proton for DAWs), stability, and performance on your ASUS ROG setup.

Browser Upgrade

Consider Mullvad Browser or LibreWolf over Brave for stricter privacy without Chromium ties or crypto features; both are Firefox-based, open-source, and block trackers aggressively while maintaining speed. Mullvad Browser adds VPN-friendly anonymity and is GDPR-compliant via no-log policies. LibreWolf auto-clears data on close, suiting your technical workflow.dev+1

Video Streaming

Replace YouTube with NewPipe (Android) or FreeTube (desktop) for ad-free, tracker-free access; they support downloads and subscriptions without Google APIs. Self-host an Invidious instance on Koofr-synced storage for family use, ensuring EU data control and low latency.reddit+1

Mapping & Navigation

Switch to OsmAnd or Organic Maps using OpenStreetMap data—these are offline-capable, open-source apps with no tracking, ideal for Berlin travel and bass gig routing. OsmAnd offers hiking/biking layers and GDPR compliance via non-personalized data.surfshark+1

Password Management

Adopt Bitwarden: fully open-source, self-hostable on Koofr, with GDPR/SOC2 compliance and AES-256 encryption. It syncs across devices securely and imports from browsers seamlessly, outperforming built-in options in audits and compatibility.[imagogg]​

VPN Recommendation

Add Mullvad VPN—Swedish-based (EU jurisdiction), no-logs audited policy, GDPR-compliant, and WireGuard for low-latency audio streaming/gigs. Accepts anonymous payments, perfect for your Proton/Wine testing without foreign influence.mullvad+1

Linux Migration Prep

Test Zorin OS or AV Linux live USBs for Windows 11-like UI and pro audio (low-latency kernel, Yabridge for VST3s in Studio One/Ableton). Bottles simplifies Wine/Proton for stubborn Windows apps with sandboxing; expect 90%+ compatibility and native performance.History+2

Android Path Forward

GrapheneOS on a Pixel (via resale of your Galaxy A55) is the gold standard: AOSP-based, de-Googled, with verified boot and per-app controls for max security. /e/OS offers broader device support if Pixel swap isn’t viable yet.github+1

Category Current/Planned Suggested Key Benefits
Browser Brave Mullvad/LibreWolf Zero telemetry, no Chromium[dev]​
Video (YouTube?) NewPipe/FreeTube No Google contact[reddit]​
Maps (Google?) OsmAnd Offline, open-source[surfshark]​
Passwords (Browser?) Bitwarden Self-host GDPR[imagogg]​
Linux Proton/Wine testing AV Linux + Bottles Audio-optimized, Windows-likeHistory+1

These maintain your DAW stability (e.g., LDAC/ASIO via PipeWire) while advancing sovereignty—start with VPN and passwords for quick wins.[perplexity]​

Me again: it’s quite similar! But it’s not perfect yet.
By the way, I using Ecosia as a Browser as well as a search engine now, and after some configuration I have the 100% Chrome/Google experience I had before … while planting trees :slight_smile:

I looked into AV Linux, but that seems outdated.
I think the best route is to go Ubuntu. It’s widely supported, and I can ask a large community, when I run into issues…

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It’s safer as it’s transparent: code can be audited and modified to your own needs. Which is not true for propriety solutions.
So, obviously I’m not checking all OpenSource code, but again we see migrations to OpenSource on corporate, regional and national level now. I just follow that trail, and this gives me a safe feeling…

And safe for me is also about: being able to use software or a digital service tomorrow too, independent of somebody deciding to switch it off, cause [insert nutty reason here].
The problem became very real to us Europeans, unfortunately!

You are American, so everything is great.
But again: we (= Europe) had several cases of people being cut off from the use of digital and even banking services by an unfriendly state, for reasons that are illegal according to EU law.
What will keep an unfriendly or even roque state from cutting off all digital services for whole nations or the whole EU?

Nothing!

This project has everything to do with claiming digital stability in an unstable world. To withstand blackmail, as we expect this any day now.

By the way: if somebody had said the very same thing I’m saying now a few years ago, I would think that guy is nuts. Like one of those dreaded digital prepper dudes.
It’s sad, really. The good old days are over…

And: I hate LibreOffice & LINUX, so there you go :slight_smile:

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How often do you do this? I am a professional software developer and I literally never personally audit FOSS code used to build the operating systems I use for safety or trust issues.

Essentially what you are really doing is shifting your trust from Microsoft to Canonical.

And then there’s this…

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Never, well, almost never: I checked Open Source Code for professional projects.
But I’m not going to look into LibreOffice’s code :slight_smile:
A friend of mine does though - she’s quite a famous hacker here…

This is why I said that I will follow whatever companies I know do, or what’s happening on community or state level. They have the manpower, knowhow … and attitude!
For example, there is a major shift to LINUX, LibreOffice and NextCloud currently, so I follow that. I know that that EU companies and offices have the same challenges that I do, so that’s an easy one.

Yeah! Somehow I never liked Firefox, so I did not want to go for that anyway.

I’m really happy with my current choice: Ecosia!

Tested it, and I agree!

I prefer the Ecosia Browser, cause of their green philosophy, BUT Ecosia does not support synching over all my devices, which is a must have for me.

So I switched to Vivaldi now, but I use the Ecosia search engine…

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Curious if you’ve tried Opera?

I only want to use Chromium-based browser for the time being.
It has no rational reason … it’s just that I have developed many TV and Signage applications for that platform, and it feels like ā€œhomeā€.

Of course I have Opera, Firefox and a whole range of other browsers on all my devices. But that’s just to test web sites or some kind of technologies…