Yeah that can be tricky, which of course is the main reason I recommend learning on 4-string.
I might be able to help with some brief comments though - any time I say “rest your thumb on the pickup,” rest your thumb on the B string. And when you’re resting it on the E string, make sure you angle it so it’s catching the B string as well.
Other than that, muting is a tricky beast. If you can’t cover it with just the right thumb (which is the simplest/easiest method, but doesn’t always work contextually), you’ll need to find a spare finger or piece of finger on your fretting hand. Here’s an example:
I’m fretting a G on the 3rd fret of the E string with my index finger, but my middle finger is reaching over the E string to lightly touch the B string to keep it muted.
It takes a lot of work to develop fretting hand muting habits, because they change depending on which fingers you need for fretting in a given passage of music. But you can start playing with it in little bits, just looking for a free finger to mute with any time you hear ringing you don’t want.
Thank you! It does help. I’ll give this a try this evening or tomorrow. Having house guests is annoying when you want to keep learning and practice! haha
I’m currently using a 5 string because I was interested in gospel play. I’m honestly not having any issues controlling the b string. I rest my thumb on it during the courses and in my spare practice time, I “experiment” with that low b! I also implement an anchor method I using my ring finger. Loving these courses!!
Well that’s a good reason to learn on a 5 string! That low B is a big part of that sound (as you know). And I’m glad the muting is working okay for you! I do that same kind of thing with my ring finger, and sometimes my pinky, especially on 5 string. I do it on 4 string too, but it’s not really necessary 90% of the time (which is why I don’t talk about it in Beginner to Badass).
I completed the course on a four-string but by the time I was nearing the end I got the five-string itch. I want to make those really low notes, but at the same time I didn’t want to switch over to BEAD on the four-string because then I’m so locked in. At least with the five-string I still have EADG.
Anyway, I’ve recently started going back to some of the course with the five-string in order to get myself comfortable with it (and I can definitely still get something from the course, even the second time around).
I don’t think it’s hard to learn five-string with four-string instruction, from my experience. The only caveat is that learning about muting with the five-string (I watched some videos on YouTube about floating thumb technique specific to five/six-string) is a good first step. After that, it’s no problem following the instruction.
Also, I found some of the general concepts in the course really helpful when I applied them to the five-string. For example, when you teach about learning just a few essential notes on the E and A strings, I did the same with the B string. I immediately know where C, D, and E are on the B string and from there I can easily get around on the B string.
I’m having no problem learning on 6, but I have some musical knowledge from playing my cigar box guitars and bouzouki. I just take it as you’re teaching me my middle 4 strings and, since I know I’m tuned in 4ths, figuring out the B and C strings isn’t difficult. When I get into chords I might change that C to a B though.
Good to hear that @lucas9000 and @Korrigan! I usually tell people not to learn on 5- or 6- strings because of the muting issue, but if you’re making it work and you need to hear those extra notes to be happy, then good for you!
@JoshFossgreen I know this is an old post, before I even joined the forum, but I’ll answer anyway.
I started learning bass a year ago, and with the exception of the first couple of weeks, have always learned and played on a 5 string. I’ve taken lessons elsewhere as well, and the same thing applies.
It wasn’t that difficult for me to take lessons in which the instructor is using a 4 string. During the lessons, I could just pretend the B string is a thumb rest and play with the other 4 strings. On my own, I was able to adapt what I had learned to 5 string.
I don’t know if everyone can do this, but it sure worked for me.
I started B2B on a 4-string and then transitioned to my 6-string on Day 10 or so of the Hardcore plan. It has hardly been a problem for me, if anything it’s been a small help. Like when we did the C Major scale and end on that middle finger C, I can go to the index and make it a two octave scale, now
Also, the 6-string has much nicer and clearer pickups, which highlighted some poor playing I think the other bass was covering up >_> Or it was just me adjusting
But yeah, as a whole, it hasn’t been a big problem for me. The only time it’s been a problem is trying to play, as an example, The Wall, but not tune the 5th/E string down to D, relying on the 6th/B string to play that D on the 3rd fret. I can’t follow the tabs, but it does give me practice on reading sheet music which I think is a win anyway
I guess it really just boils down to the confidence I had in muting, plucking, and fretting techniques at the time.
I learnt on a 4 string but picked up 5 and 6 within the last 2 years, and I switch between them daily. The 4 string feels like a sports car, being quick and nippy, and the 6 string feels more like a campervan, with everything included.
Learning to play 6 string can help greatly with both 4 and 5 string, especially in terms of technique and posture. I would still recommend that someone start on the 4 string though because there are very few songs that don’t require a 4 string, learning the extra notes of a 5 or 6 string may not ever come in useful, it’s the most lightweight, it’s less likely to put off beginners than 5 or 6 string, and most instruction is based around the 4 string.
If someone has a burning desire to only play 5 or 6 string then they should go with their passion and learn from the experience.
Still, learning on a 6 string is a bit like training to be be the world’s strongest man just to lose a few pounds for summer. Much of the experience and the techniques learnt will be useful, but much of it will be a waste, will never end up being useful, and it will take longer and more stressful to achieve what you want to do
I think that 4, 5 and 6 string are all different instruments that each have their own strengths and weaknesses and applications.
Think I’ll throw in my 2cents as someone who’s half-way through the course and started on a 5 string. I had my 5 string before I started this miracle of a course. Granted, this is all personal experience from someone still really learning to play cleanly. I got a 5 string because I wanted the lower notes for Gospel and Stevie Wonder, haha. Honestly, it probably would be easier learning on a 4 string. Technique is probably the biggest thing.
B string-
So, muting that extra B string really isn’t hard at all. It’s actually more comfortable for me to rest my thumb on the B string than it is the pickup. Sometimes muting the A string is tough if I’m playing every string around it since it’s smack dab in the middle. So, sometimes I use the floating thumb technique to mute, but it’s a lot of practice for me to play cleanly when shifting between all the strings. Minor problem since we’re usually playing on the A string.
I take into account that the spacing between the string is a hair different than on a 4 string, so notes right next to each other on different strings are a bit challenging, but I’m starting to get the hang of it. That, and the thicker neck.
All in all, no, it’s not really confusing to me since the major C is on the middle A string. I only have to make minor adjustments to compensate or maximize. If anything, I always feel like I’m never using the B string for everything it can be used for. I rarely see lessons that maximize what a 5 string can do, but some lessons here are a bit easier on a 5 string since I don’t have to shift higher for some things.
4 and 5 have their strengths and weaknesses. I love my 5 string, but for as many bass lessons as I see with 4 strings, my next one will probably be a 4 string (though I’m not getting rid of my 5).
Muting was not really harder fingerstyle. It is a little more so with pick but still good practice. Certainly not something to worry about, you will adapt fast.
The string spacing drove me crazy - so much that in the end I decided I just didn’t like 5’s. YMMV here, this is a personal thing.
Going back and forth, once used to both , is a non-issue.
The flatter neck is very, very nice.
It is easier to reach EADG on a 5 than it is on a 4, so if you are worried about small hands, don’t be. This is not likely true of a 6, though.
I sold my 5 after about six months. Just wasn’t for me.
I just joined B2B. I have both a 4 and a 5 string but I really want to start the course on 5 string. My plan is to master the 5 string fretboard to the point I know where everything is first. Then I think going through the course would be easier maybe. Just an idea.
Others have done this with ease here.
I actually wish I had.
My only tip - think about the G string as your ‘anchor’ or ‘grounding’ string. and work down. Then you only need to add a string in your mind on the ‘other end’ vs. your brain trying to move all 4 strings ‘up a string’. A subtle difference but it helps me.
it’s pretty easy in my experience. You’ll basically be doing all the exercises on the first four strings. What I do is after each lesson, go in and figure things out involving the 5th/B string. Maybe that’s playing the workouts an octave lower. Maybe that’s adding an octave to a scale. Maybe it’s just adding a few extra notes to a scale, depending on which scale it is. This will help later with the improv and arpeggio lessons.
There’s a lesson about a fretboard learning “hack” that details using the 3rd, 5th, and 7th frets, and you will know the notes around them more easily/quickly.
1)E-string they are G, A, B
2)A-string they are C, D, E
3)D-string they are F, G, A 4)G-string they are B, C, D
The low B-string they just are D, E, F if you see the pattern here.
The 5-string and 6-string basses are at times a bit of a different mentality, each one a little more to keep track of than the last in terms of muting strings, etc.
But yeah, it can definitely be done on a 5-string bass.
First of all, welcome aboard @beach5563 . . . . . we’re glad to have you with us!
You have two basses already, but have you had any experience with playing them? ( It might be confusing to you to learn if you’re following along with @JoshFossgreen in the course and using a 5 string). If you ignore the extra string you can do it, and at least get used to the feel of a 5 string bass guitar neck as well as the string spacing.
When you get the chance, stop by our “Introduce Yourself” thread and tell us a little about yourself.
Good luck to you and see you around the Forums
Joe
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