Wow - what’s that from? Assuming 136BPM like Long Way To the Top and that’s 31.8 seconds. - unscientifically about 12% of the entire length of an average pop/rock song ~4:15ish.
As if tonewood even matters 
Stone Sour - Song#3 - Ultimate Guitar official tab 
Feels like about 25 minutes 
For Song #3
- Beats-per-minute:
157BPM - Beats-per-second:
2.6167Hz - Length of 1 beat:
0.3822second = 382 msec - Length of 1 bar (4 beats):
1.5287second
Sooooo: 27.5 seconds. That’s an eternity! Good news is you can just hold your left hand in place and have plenty of time to get a sip of beer before you need to do anything else. 
True that! Seems way overkill, still up there as one of my favourite bass lines to play though 
Not trolling
Disagreeing with why those three amps don’t sound the same to most people.
It’s the equivalent of saying a Prius, 911, and a McLaren perform the same because when you go full throttle off a cliff, they all hit the valley at the same time.
If I’m a troll because I disagree, I guess that means you have little tolerance for those with a different opinion.
But that’s ok, it just means that you’re ‘typical’.
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My father designed a transistorized Hi-Fi amplifier in 1958 and also was of the mind that it was equal to or superior to a tube amp. Now, for linear delivery, I’m sure it was more than adequate for Hi-Fi. Keep in mind he was analysing the signal with an O-Scope that had a tube power supply!
Now, in the real world, guitar speakers are not linear like Hi-Fi speakers, nor are the amps expected to be if you’re looking for breakup, which you are.
Buddy has a top of the line Quilter. Does it sound good? Yes, it does. Does it achieve the same sound you get from tubes? No
Best way to learn this is do the same experiment in your own living room.
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@KenMiller - if you’d like to discuss the Jim Lill videos after watching them, please PM me.
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PM sent:
Hey, if all these amps sound the same, why do all the digital ones have so many cabinet/amp selections?
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wow this pedal looks great
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Agree
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@K_Miller Disagreement is not trolling. Continuing to hammer a topic without reviewing the material the topic is refferencing is ceetainly getting into troll territory.
I don’t believe you were intending to troll when this started. I choose to believe it is a topic you are passionate about and it got the best of you.
One of the things your missing, that is covered in the videos, is that Jim recognizes the importance of speakers and cabinet design. But that is seperate from his amplifier testing.
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Cool huh?
It’s meant to create .wav(?) files, but I’m thinking that you could use it for headphones, plaing through a keyboard amp, etc.
If Ken misrepresented what was presented, then that’s good info.
I’m not interested in a video as he described. My time is better spent watching videos such as THIS
Ken is free to agree to disagee any time he wants, isn’t he?
Questionable use of a kazoo from a gig bag here! 
Also proof of how good Joe Dart is - dude can make a kazoo solo sound funky!
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This is crazy. Would be interesting to see waveforms for the two different guitars, but its hard to hear any difference. Its actually shocking how alike they sound, using basically just a measuring tape!
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@simonpwood right? It’s just really interesting! And I’ll find my other post to re-iterate below… but it’s easy to make things sound different - changing variable X and having it sound the same is powerful evidence that variable X didn’t matter that much to the sound.
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Hey y’all, reminder from the forum guidelines:
Don’t Be a Jerk
Respect each other. Don’t harass or grief anyone.
Hopefully that’s enough of a reminder for everybody. Let’s keep this forum ‘the friendliest bass forum online’ and be mindful of how we use tone when writing here. Tone doesn’t just matter with gear, matters with words too. 
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