My thoughts after almost 3 months in with the Zoom B2 Four

A lot of people wonder about “quiet” input and it is often (but not always) normal. Specifically a lot of audio interfaces will target -12dB to -9dB as their input 0. You can later mix or normalize this up. Reaper has a command to Normalize an item to any peak level in the Item processing menu.

If you use plugins in your DAW I recommend reading about DAW Gain Staging. dB VU in audio gear is different than dB Full Scale in a DAW. Many plugins follow the analog gear model of gain and expect things to be in a certain range (around -18dB Full Scale) before they overdrive. Here’s an example with a video:

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I don’t know how to check for that input gain.
I browsed the manual here B2 FOUROperation Manual but i didn’t find any control over the input gain.
I guess this must be all related to the bass being passive.

So maybe my only solution is to find any way to “auto-normalize” my takes in REAPER when recording - this is my only issue, i am trying to find a way not to do that manually at every take with the item properties button.

Hello!
I know the basics about gain staging, but i am not running any plugin when recording my bass lines.

I also use that [Normalize] button in the item properties on every take, and this is exactly what I’d like to avoid - maybe some “auto-normalize” function is hidden somewhere.

The signal being recorded is currently VERY low through the B2-four audio interface. I could try to use the B2-Four as a regular pedal (no audio interface), and route its audio signal through my Zoom H6 (which has input gain knobs) and use the H6 as my audio interface… but I hoped to avoid all those cables on my small desk. :smiley:

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My bad I thought you were talking about the Zoom B1four.

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@mr.crispy - can the B2four be powered by USB like the B1four, or does it need to be actually plugged in? Thanks…

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USB is enough to run it!
I currently record on my PC using it as an audio interface, with only the usb cable plugged in (… and the bass jack of course)

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Good to know! Thanks… how’s the dai? If you’re using windows, how’s the driver?

Is the pedal not configurable on windows - only iphone app? Thanks!

Quite good. I only have one issue: low input levels, so that i must normalize all my takes to get proper volume.
No apps for Android and Windows - that’s a real pity

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B1 or B2??? Is the B2 the new & better version of the B3? It doesn’t look like the B3 is available anymore. I was thinking of getting the B1, but I’m now wondering if the B2 isn’t worth the extra $150? I’d be plugging into my Fender 40.

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Zoom Confusing Naming Lineage:

– The Ancient –

Zoom B1, Zoom B2 - avoid these

– The very old –

B1on, B3, MS-60b - these are all a couple generations old. The MS-60b is still worth considering as it has just a beautiful form factor.

– The last generation –

B1four, B3n - These are still available and are nice bargains/balance points. Very capable, sound good, affordable

– The Current Generation –

Zoom B2four, Zoom B6 - very capable modern boxes, lots of improvements over the last gen. The B6 is unfortunately priced about the same as some arguably better alternatives.

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(side note: Zoom would make beaucoup bank if they updated the MS-60b to the current gen capabilities)

wait a minute… did they?

:open_mouth: THEY DID!

ok this changes everything :rofl:

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I should have been more specific . I meant the Zoom B2 Four that I was considering.

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Right, I was answering your question about its relation to the B3 and other models.

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I’ve got the guitar version with the expression pedal on the way in the post, should get here soon.
it is for my son, honest

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I almost want to buy a MS-60b+, throw it in the closet for about 10 years, and then sell it for profit.

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this is the most half assed get rich scheme i’ve ever heard :grin:

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I’m looking thru the specs to see what the differences are between the B2 Four and the MS-60b+.

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The thing with the MS-60b is it is in a regular guitar pedal enclosure and fits on a pedalboard very nicely; the others are huge in comparison but with nicer displays.

I completely agree on this one, the MS serie is an amazing piece of hardware. Sound wise it’s just as good as the bigger brothers altho I think the sims on the most expensive one should sound a bit better.

I would buy this one over the Zoom B1four.

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Came across the LINE 6 POD EXPRESS BASS PEDAL. Seems like a very straightforward, user friendly multi-effects pedal. Anyone know how this compares to the Zoom B2 Four for an additional $70? The Zoom has a lot more effects (most of which will likely never be used), doesn’t seem quite as user friendly, but once used a bit is probably pretty intuitive. The Zoom also has more outputs. I was just about to buy the Zoom B2 Four when I saw a video about the Line 6 which peaked my interest. When learning a new song, I just want to look up what effects were used and dial them up in an effects box. The Line 6 has 7 amps, 7 cabs, 17 effects, & a looper and would likely cover 98% of all songs. Probably won’t ever outgrow the Zoom as it probably covers 99%. Not sure 1% matters… Anyone have any opinions between one of these over the other?

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