Neck-thru vs Bolt-on

[Barney]

@howard

Tonewood is real

Finally someone said it.

[howard]

@Barney

@howard

Tonewood is real

Finally someone said it.

I did it for you

[Whying_Dutchman]

@howard

Tonewood is real, but pickups and strings and so on play a much larger role.

Also for … sustain?

[jbaird]

The tone wood discussion is interesting, I do woodworking as a hobby as well and compared to furniture making it seems like buying/making and instrument out of fancy/nice/etc woods just for pure aesthetic is kind of frowned upon in a way, like it’s really about the tone it just happens to look nice too..

Maybe..

I mean there is also the bass porn thread and no one is in there saying its wrong to just be all about the aesthetics of beautiful instruments

But compared to furniture making where picking a certain wood over another is definitely 99% about the aesthetics and no one would think that’s lesser reason or wrong in any way vs some reason of durability or practicality or whatever else

instruments definitely feel a lot different like it can’t just be about how cool it looks

[Whying_Dutchman]

@jbaird

I do woodworking

So what is your opinion on tone wood? Everybody wants to know the secret, nobody discusses it … ever!

[John_E]

@Wombat-metal

one thing I learned from that is that people who post on YT are not above fudging the results to show a predetermined result

This happens in corporate research, and any other research for that matter. That’s what peer reviews are for, and even then can be skewed. I’ve spent a lot of my career proving “scientific” results to be BS. I’ve also spend a lot of time doing experiments to “prove” a wanted outcome. Buyer beware on everything.

[John_E]

@howard

It’s just that his methodology is flawed.

This is generally the biggest issue

[jbaird]

Not sure woodworkers have any special insight really.. were just good at making things flat and building boxes

I’m sure density plays a role and maybe even body shape but it’s the 1% not the 99% of tone IMO, 99% being pickups, strings and technique

For electric mind you I’m sure it matters much more for an acoustic guitar/bass/upright

[Whying_Dutchman]

@jbaird

woodworkers have any special insight really

I learned one thing here at BB: woodworkers know EVERYTHING

[John_E]

@jbaird

I’m sure density plays a role and maybe even body shape but it’s the 1% not the 99% of tone IMO, 99% being pickups, strings and technique

For electric mind you I’m sure it matters much more for an acoustic guitar/bass/upright

We have beaten this topic to dust more than once, and sometimes ad nauseam, and, you are pretty much spot on.

[howard]

@John_E

@jbaird

I’m sure density plays a role and maybe even body shape but it’s the 1% not the 99% of tone IMO, 99% being pickups, strings and technique

For electric mind you I’m sure it matters much more for an acoustic guitar/bass/upright

We have beaten this topic to dust more than once, and sometimes ad nauseam, and, you are pretty much spot on.

Yeah, maybe closer to 95%/5%, but… yeah. The vast majority is pickups/preamp, then technique, then strings, but those three all have a strong influence whereas the wood and construction is more tonal nuance around darkness/brightness and resonance.

[Wombat-metal]

I once heard a story I think from Paul Stanley, who said Eddie Van Halen pickup up one of Paul’s guitars and it sounded just like classic Van Halen. He handed it to Paul and it then sounded like Paull Stanley.

Nothing else changed

[sshoihet]

@McSalterson

Anyways, they’re far more similar than they are different on paper, but they sound quite different.

“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.”

Magnets aren’t the same, windings aren’t the same, pots aren’t the same…there can be pretty significant variations between pickups and electronics of the “same” design.

@Wombat-metal

I once heard a story I think from Paul Stanley, who said Eddie Van Halen pickup up one of Paul’s guitars and it sounded just like classic Van Halen. He handed it to Paul and it then sounded like Paull Stanley.

Nothing else changed

Scott from SBL tells a story about how he went to the US and went out of his way to try out a top-tier, exceptionally expensive boutique bass. He was really excited about it but when he played it, he was disappointed because it sounded just like him and not the other big name bassists who play it

[howard]

“Wherever you go, there you are”

[sshoihet]

I tell people that quite often

[howard]

great line, great movie

[John_E]

@Wombat-metal

I once heard a story I think from Paul Stanley, who said Eddie Van Halen pickup up one of Paul’s guitars and it sounded just like classic Van Halen. He handed it to Paul and it then sounded like Paull Stanley.

Nothing else changed

Same stories about sax players. But folks still gotta buy crap to think they are getting a ‘sound’

[fennario]

@howard

“Wherever you go, there you are”

But I’ve always kinda been partial to calling myself up on the phone and asking myself out, you know?

Yeah, well one thing about it, you’re always around
- Tom Waits

[andrea-slnd]

We could discuss whether wood density and type affects the tone, or do the electronics have the major influence. I’m a beginner and have no personal experience on the matter, however, it seems even when you get a little tree and a miniature countryside growing on a guitar, it will still be ‘playable’… as demonstrated in this video about the “Trauma Caster” guitar:

Johannes Wilenius II on Instagram: "Tein joskus tollasen kitaran, jonka nimi...

PS: Here is the translation of the text below the video:

“I once made a guitar called “Trauma Caster” when I read about farmers committing suicide.

The guitar depicts a man dead in a field. He has gathered stones in a pile under a tree, but then eaten fly agaric mushrooms. The woman has moved to the city, and at the end there is a fancy car, Barbie, and a castle. However, over time, they have fallen somewhere. I should “restore” that instrument.

I just typed that into a search engine
"The higher risk of suicide and mental health problems among farmers is a proven international and Finnish phenomenon, influenced by many factors. Although the migration of women to cities is one of many social changes that cause challenges in rural areas, suicides are usually the result of a combination of factors.

So, that Voicelive extreme 3 is on sale for €350. Too complicated for me”

This guy is an artist and musician from Finland. He has other interesting instruments, made of twigs, roots and tree branches.

[Whying_Dutchman]

@andrea-slnd

We could discuss whether wood density and type affects the tone, or do the electronics have the major influence.

Also, the effect on sustain would be interesting, what do you think?