Talking Bass: course descriptions & study order

Working through Talking Bass courses has been a really interesting learning experience for me. Most of Mark’s theory-based courses have sparked memories of my music college theory days. But Mark’s bass-centric emphasis has been far more helpful for my achieving my playing goals.

That said, nothing happens in a vacuum. For me, that’s meant that life is what happens while Mark is busy making other plans courses. :joy:

A few years ago, I started my TB study journey by reaching out to Mark to seek his advice about where I should start. Given my background, he replied that Chord Tones Essentials should be my first course. As he had created the framework of his Chord Tones course based on how he had fashioned his own personal way of absorbing that massive chunk of knowledge in music school, he summarily vouched for its efficacy.

However, while Chord Tones is a great deep dive into understanding the construction of bass lines, I also wanted to improve my post-B2B bass technique chops, so I also got Mark’s Technique Builder, Groove Trainer, and Scales courses.

This all happened back when lockdown gripped the world, so I had the time and opportunity to devote to studying and practicing.

Fast forward to the last two years: Mark develops new workbooks and courses based on feedback from his students and the experiences he’s learned over the last ten years as a course creator. (As I’ve mentioned in previous posts, his workbooks alone are really great for providing technique etudes — Cyborg Bassist for scales, Walk that Bass being complementary for Simple Steps to Walking Bass, etc.).

I’ve been working through Creative Bassist and I think it’s an excellent post-B2B course of study. It combines many aspects of Mark’s theory-based courses, but without the ultra-deep dives. Essentially, it’s aimed at arming intermediate players with the vital information and structure required to jam and, ultimately, solo.

Creative Bassist starts with an explanation and examples of rhythm theory, i.e., note durations laid out on a rhythm grid (similar to how Josh presents it). But it builds from there to methodically create a logical framework of how to conceive, create, and ultimately play your own bass lines.

That said, as is always the case in life, there’s no free lunch.

Creative Bassist is a big swing of a course. It requires a lot of student thought, homework and practice to absorb and implement its material. But anything worth doing is worth doing well. And if that means hunkering down and putting in the time and effort to yield the results you seek, get ‘er done.

For those who prefer to learn/play cover songs from tab or elsewhere, a course like Creative Bassist won’t be appealing. But for anyone who seeks to create and play original bass lines and, ultimately, solos, Creative Bassist provides a comprehensive roadmap for achieving those results.

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Not sure what you mean by hold your own in a jazz setting, but the best thing for really getting to undestand this is to find a jazz improv class or an entry-level jazz jam.

The jazz improv 1 course at our local junior college has the pre-requisite of being able to play major scales in all 12 keys and (for bassists) very rudimentary sight reading skills.
It’s an incredible experience, and you have an experienced jazz musician walking you through how to play on approachable jazz standards.

Finding an intro level jazz jam can be way harder, but I guess my point here is just that the best way to get experience with playing jazz is to try and find outlets to hear/study/play the music with other folks who - hopefully - are better than you, but willing to help you along the journey.

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@Gio Totally agree. I recently did a week long jazz workshop at our local CC taught by instructors at the local university and professional musicians. It was an amazing experience (I posted it in another thread), but I was definitely at the low end of the experience spectrum having only played for a year at this point. I have plans to enroll in the Jazz program at the CC, but right now I have a full time job and the courses are not aligned with my schedule. I am planning on retiring in the next 2-3 years and will jump on the jazz program as soon as I can. In the mean time I’d like to build my skill set. The Jazz workshop is an annual event and I plan to participate every year. Additionally I made a few connections in the workshop and hope to be able to set up some “jam” sessions with those folks.

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Right on.
Sounds like you have everything pretty perfectly dialed in here!

When I’m between jazz gigs, the Jamey Aebersold books/recordings/playalongs are a great way to stay connected to tunes, and have it feel real and musical.

Also, playing along with the jazz songs and recordings you love is a dynamite way to practice.

Also also, transcribing bass lines from killer recordings.
I’d recommend any Ray Brown line - there are some great and very identifiable parts in the Oscar Peterson Trio recordings that make for perfect away-from-the-band jazz practice.

Here are three of my favs:

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Is this something that’s typically offered at community colleges? In evenings when an 8-5 working schmuck might be able to attend?

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Oof.
I don’t know.
I just looked at the calendar for the one local to me, and it’s smack in the middle of the afternoon.

Hopefully the course calendar is available online.
I don’t imagine it’ll be that easy and convenient but I will offer a prayer to Jimmy Blanton, Jazz God of Bassists for you!

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Thank you @Gio this is some great stuff, I really appreciate it!

I’ve got iReal Pro and have a bunch of jazz stuff downloaded there, and I’ve recently discovered: https://youtube.com/@backingtracksjazz3239?si=Ce5cW0qjjaEPQgjp

Ray Brown came up a lot in the workshop , in addition to Ron Carter and Christian McBride (who will be performing here in October).

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This is exactly my issue. Our CC has both a Combo program and an Ensemble program, in addition to a full Jazz studies program, which I’m excited to do once I can manage the schedule.

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Yeah, baby! :+1: :+1:

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That channel looks killer!
If you can ever find some of these:

They’re amazing, because Jamey hired real jazz players to do the tracks, so you get a more human feel, and human note choices.
It’s a step further toward real jazz land, but he doesn’t have many tracks that have made it to YT.
Which is probably good for his publishing… but bad for easy access practice.

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It does not look like there are any options that easy, but I’m sure I’ll figure something out.

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I started Scale Essentials a couple of weeks ago and am now immersed in the fretboard mapping exercises. I’ll say this course is a perfect follow on from Chord Tones. I spent months working on the chord tones exercises and the scale exercises progress in a nearly identical way and really tie things together nicely. Having lots of “lightbulb” moments.

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Exactly my experience. I did Chord Tones (per Mark’s reco), then Scales. They meshed perfectly.

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This is great, thank you for sharing. I love structured lessons and I’ve finished B2B x3 times so this will be nice for something new!

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