What's the deal with effects and pedals? (Also: sound in general)

God that is a big fish!

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Glad you like itšŸ‘ @Conor,
We get plenty that size in Australia.
Cheers Brian

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I used to live there. Caught Gummy Shark and Banjo Shark, but released them. What I did catch and eat was Flathead, fried up in batter, yummy :smiley: Never realized Murry Cod were so big!

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Oh thats meā€¦I have about 20 OD pedals and work very hard to make them all sound the sameā€¦LOL

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Here is my last catch : a Ammoon EQ7.

Thatā€™s a 7-band graphic EQ in a micro-pedal format. It works pretty well. The finish is good, I really like the color, somewhat between the Fender Sherwood Green Metallic and Lake Placid Blue :star_struck:

The effect itself works quite well, itā€™s not 100% transparent but I donā€™t mind. The frequencies are very well chosen for a bass : 63, 125, 250, 500, 1k, 2.2k and 5k Hz (+ a level slider). Here you can see my settings to get a Darkglass-style tone from my modded ODB-3. Iā€™m very happy with the price / quality / form-factor ratio.

Here is a picture with an Ibanez TS-9 and a Boss OC-2 to show the size, compared to some well-know pedals :

I have an idea for a pedalboard overdrive with two graphic EQ so the smallest footprint the better. Iā€™ll explain this idea later.

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Can anyone identify the effect used for the bass on this song. Itā€™s an interesting tone, but I canā€™t figure out what it is.

P.S. I really enjoyed the Thompson Twinsā€™ music back in the mid eighties when they were at their peak.

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Those little quick vibrato/modulations give it away as a synth bass part.
But it does sound like something you could reproduce.

Iā€™d probably go with a jazz bass with plenty of that back pickup.
Absolutely smash it in a compressor, and add a bit of fuzz to it.

I havenā€™t had great success personally with the bass-synth type pedals, but maybe some other folk here have?

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Yeah it definitely sounds super-compressed too. Like almost square :slight_smile:

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The Synth concept makes sense, since I donā€™t believe the Thompson Twins actually had a bassist.

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They did have two different bassists before reinventing themselves as a trio.

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the synth mode on the Line 6 Bass Floor POD is insanely cool. but at this point itā€™s more a synth controled by a bass, than a synth pedal. There is no other POD with such a synth, but the LowDown amp range had this mode.

about the bass tone of the song, I donā€™t think there is a fuzz. I think itā€™s just a compressor with everything set to 10, including the output level, so the saturation may come from the preamp. to me, the saturation sounds too warm (soft clipping) to be a fuzz.

to me it sounds more like an actual bass than like a synth but itā€™s hard to be sure.

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This video answers the questionā€¦at 1:43

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Yeah, while I would have used a synth for that, if you wanted to do it with a bass, try just massively overcompressing it until thereā€™s almost no dynamics left at all, just tone. Thereā€™s more going on with it than that but that would get the basis of it.

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Thanks @howard. Iā€™m not planning on covering that song, but I will play around with the compressor and see if I can get that tone just for run :smiley_cat:

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I found a thread on talkbass where someone emailed Joe Leeway and asked him. He actually answered thatā€™s itā€™s a 1981 Oberheim! Looking up release dates, that probably makes it an Oberheim-XA.

I agree that compression will help get a bass guitar closer to this tone. It doesnā€™t sound like the note decays at all, just plays full force until the key is released.

The character of the synth preset has a lot of texture, gravel, almost like a buzzer sound. On my basses I can slowly sweep the blend between the neck and bridge pickups (Or change the levels on one or the other if the knobs work that way) until I hear the most texture (least smooth) sound I can get. Thereā€™s one little spot where they interact like this the most and it gets to a smoother tone either side.

Then Iā€™d turn up the upper mid frequencies a bit on the EQ trying to see if I can bring out that texture even more. It may get too bright doing this if it goes too far.

I hate to say it, but the flatwounds may be working against you for getting this tone. The texture of this sound is coming from either square or sawtooth waves in the synth having some higher frequency content that a stringed bass doesnā€™t have. Itā€™s possible the brightness of the round wounds could help with emulating this type of synth patch.

I havenā€™t tried to emulate this tone and donā€™t know if any of this would work all that well. Those are just my ideas of how Iā€™d start trying to go after it.

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Thanks @DaveT, I donā€™t have any particular reason for wanting to recreate that tone, I was mainly just curious. But now, you have piqued my curiosity even further and I must play around with the compressor pedal to see how close I can get to it.

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For their work, ā€œThe Gapā€ is more modally interesting, if you want to pick one of theirs to cover :slight_smile:

They were pretty bad live from a performance standpoint (mostly taped), but it was a great way to hear their stuff super loud, and that one was great to hear really cranked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SEwy1as78E

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Just back on the subject of bass effects in general, these two YouTube videos will give you a taste of 63 different effects in the space of a coffee break

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I love BassTheWorld. Gregor is great.

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Jah, but his akkzent! He reminds me of the stereotypical German in British WW2 movies :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

I found this video very helpful:

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