Decisions - Help Required!

Help!!

I am after a p-bass, it’s an itch that I need to scratch!

I’ve seen two PJ basses that look reasonable and are reasonable in price, but I need help deciding:

Option 1: Squire PJ

It’s a Squire, so Fender and I always said I don’t really want a Fender / Squire ‘cos they are too common… it’s in green, with a black scratch plate, not really a great colour, but could be lifted by an after market plate. For sale at £180. The guy says it’s in ‘as new’ condition, and won’t negotiate on price. He’s also a bit non-communicative, but we have agreed I could pick up this evening.

Option 2: Aria Pro II 313 Detroit

Also a PJ. Looks cool (IMHO) and wouldn’t need a new scratch plate to lift it. The seller would take £225 for it. Also ‘as new’ condition. It’s a bit further away than the Squire (in distance).

For obvious reasons, I can’t back to back play them…plus, I tend to work on the premise that if I don’t really like something I either don’t buy it, or I just sell it on.

Which of the two would you go for, and why?

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The Aria Pro II is a much, much better bass. Like so much better they aren’t even on the same planet.

But those are P/J. If you really want a P you should get a P :slight_smile:

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I’m tending toward the Aria Pro on looks - I think it’s looks freakin’ beautiful.

Re: P vs PJ, do you think I’ll be miss something buying a PJ? As in you can roll the J pickup off… ??

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Or

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A P/J is not a P. Logically, it seems like it could be by just isolating the P pup, but the tone never gets there. If you want a P, get a P.

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Can you explain this? How does the precision pickup “know” that there is another pickup installed - and sound different accordingly??!

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Seriously it’s a much better instrument. Depending on the year it might even be MIJ or MIK. Even if not, it’s going to be way ahead of a Squier.

It gets very very close, depending on bass and P pickup placement. But in general the zen of a P is in its simplicity.

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It doesn’t, and if the pickup placement is the same, there’s a chance a neck pickup selected P/J will sound very, very close to a P, modulo other factors on the bass.

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Individual basses, pups and ears vary widely. Pup placement and pup type will determine how a bass sounds.

Try out several and let your ears be the judge. Who knows? Everything might just sound hunky-dory to you when you compare a given PJ with a given P. Stranger things have happened.

But that PJ versus P equivalence thing hasn’t happened to me yet.

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Agreed!

So: When you have two basses that are exactly the same otherwise, but one is a P bass, one is a P/J bass with J volume on 0 - than they should sound exactly the same, right?

So, it’s in fact a matter of simplicity when getting a P bass, not tone. @Howard’s “zen”…

On the other hand, a P/J would add flexibility. You can set J to 0 and ignore it … and turn it up, when you need it.

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If I may give an opinion as a non-technician, here it is.

I would choose option 2.

First reason, option 1 is presented in a very negative way. “I always said I don’t really want a Fender”, “it’s in green, with a black scratch plate, not really a great colour”, “He’s also a bit non-communicative”.

Second, Aria makes really quality bass. If I read the review on Talkbass : "If there is one downside, it’s that Aria chose not to shield the control cavity at all - just bare wood and pots in there, no shielding paint either. So there is a little single coil hum when the J is soloed. Nothing a little copper foil won’t fix.

I think the choice of my point of view is very quickly made.

Option 2, the Aria.

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And that’s really easy and fun to resolve!

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That probably indicates my mindset… without really thinking about it, I clearly want the Aria Pro…

Interesting video regarding the Harley Benton, @Whying_Dutchman. I don’t think I’ll go that way, but interesting none the less.

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Hahaha - yeah, a Harley Benton is of course nothing that will find great admiration here at BassBuzz.

But you could put a Dingwall sticker on it … or maybe photoshop a pic with Hooky playing it?

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If it’s between those two, I’d go for the Aria (hands down) - it wins on looks alone :wink:

The difference is likely subtle, but - as has been iterated already - depends especially on the exact pup type and placement. Yet, in a PJ, the two pups are wired together, and thus “know” of each other (let’s just say in a quantum-mechanical way :wink:), making up a slightly more complicated circuit. (That’s my theory anyway :grin:)

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Not true! They are surprisingly well made and well sounding instruments at this price point. They are just not as readily available outside Europe and so first-hand knowledge of these is limited within the BassBuzz forumites :wink:

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Rather brings to mind that question, does a struck string sound if there is no one there to hear it? And is the cat alive … or dead?

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In a way that anybody could hear it - in the scenario I described above? (J to 0)

No need for quantum entanglement! In fact they do “know” about each other, as changing the volume on one PU can change the volume on the other - at least that is what I noticed on some of my passive P/Js.

But I ask myself, if this is significant in direct comparison P vs PJ.

Also, you could just “cut” the wires to the J … or install a switch…

Yeah I have never heard anything bad about HB’s outside of the weight of some models.

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