Epiphone Thunderbird model confusion

I’ve spent too much time trying to sort all the differences out, and once I found myself reading Reddit articles I knew I was at rock bottom :grin:

I want one, and I understand the less expensive models with the black plastic pickups and 3 point bridge are bolt on neck rather than set necks. Really, I don’t care about that, unless the bolt on necks are known to be problematic. Are they?

A while back I played a Vintage Pro IV and I liked everything about it. I see some used models online and all sorts of different model names. Classic, Classic IV, Pro IV, Vintage Pro lV, etc. Is the new “'60’s” model just a rename of the Vintage Pro lV? What’s up with the model IV? Was there ever a model l, ll or lll?

Also, because one used bass had an aftermarket pick guard installed, I went to see if I could find a proper replacement with the original style guard with the Thunderbird on it. The seller was giving tons of different measurements to compare to. Apparently there are several different pick guard variances due to multiple different body shapes?

I’m pretty much ready to just buy whatever one I find that has the nickel pickups and claw bridge, but what’s up? Are there certain body shapes that got abandoned for good reason? Some are passive, some are not. Is there an easy way to decipher all the different names, or am I overthinking it and just grab anything with the “good” claw bridge/nickel pickups and it’s all just renaming for marketing purposes?

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Most basses have bolt on necks. Not generally an issue.

those are just pickup covers over normal pickups

Not a Thunderbird stan so I don’t know all the models but it doesn’t surprise me. Good luck with the search.

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Hey Shinyribs

AFAIK, the IV refers to the number of strings, Pro indicates a higher end edition, a bit like a Gibson, while Vintage indicates its a replica of the old style T-bird. Otherwise I dunno.

Neck-through is the classic style and is meant to have more resonance than bolt-on. I can’t see how the latter would be a problem though.

Pickguards are a pain the neck. yes there are many variants with differenct sizes, screw numbers and screw hole locations. If you’re getting a custom one done, you might need to scan your current guard and send it off as a template…

Possibly relevant Talkbass thread…

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/epiphone-thunderbird-models.1519871/

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I have no idea about the model, but found this article that explains the numbering.

Buy after you try would be my solution

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I got this info off of the Talkbass site…

Epiphone

  • The basic IV, a reverse model with bolt-on (BO) neck, three-point bridge, and Y tuners, was produced from 1999 to 2021. It sold primarily in tobacco burst, but a black version was available during part of this model’s lifetime. It was resurrected in 2023 or 2024 as the Thunderbird E2, which is available in stores but not on the Epiphone web site. The pickups are longer and slightly narrower than any other Thunderbird pickups. This was the least expensive Thunderbird made by Gibson or Epiphone.
  • Epiphone made 4 and 5 string Non-Reverse models sometime in the 1990s. They had a PJ pickup arrangement. -@TBird1958
  • The Pro IV and V models featured a 7 ply walnut and mahogany neck through body, T Pro pickups and a preamp, and a bridge along the lines of a Hipshot A style bridge. These were produced for a few years starting 2009 (?) They came in transparent black and a natural, oil-rubbed finish. They’re gorgeous but the V has a massive neck and the headstock dives hard if given a chance.
  • The Goth Thunderbird was a black, standard BO IV with a Celtic Cross logo on the pickguard and a Roman numeral XII as the sole fret marker, at the 12th fret (where else?)
  • The Nikki Six Thunderbird Was similar to the Goth except:
    • pickguard logo is a Thunderbird overlaying an iron cross
    • iron cross fret inlays (two of these at 12th fret)
    • p/u on/off switch is the only control
    • OptiGrab pinkie rest below the bridge
    • output jack moved from face to end of bass
  • The Classic Pro was available from 2012 to 2020. The first year or two had the neck pickup fairly close to the bride like early Gibsons, bu they then moved up toward the neck like modern Gibsons. These use modern-sounding ceramic pickups and a three-point bridge. These came in black, white, and burst.
  • The Vintage Pro is nearly a reproduction of the earliest Thunderbirds, complete with 9-ply through neck construction, vintage-sounding pickups, and a Tune-o-matic bridge with stop bar. Some people wish for a bit more bottom end from the Probucker 760 pickups. The VP has the largest headstock of any production Thunderbird. It debuted in 2017, was rebranded in 2021 as the 60s Thunderbird, and was again rebranded (with minor changes such as more neck pitch) in 2024 as the 64 Thunderbird. It does the Angry Piano sound quite well, but doesn’t have quite the low end of many Thunderbirds.These were initially available in black, white, and brust. With the name change to 60s Thunderbird, white was dropped. Key retailers have blue sparkle and purple sparkle Thunderbird 64s. In mid-late 2024, the mass market colors were switched to ember red, silver mist, and Inverness green.
  • There have also been six Epiphone Custom Shop Limited Editions. *(I have heard there were 400 of each, but cannot find where I saw that. - @Miles_ONeal .)*These are standard Epi bolt-ons (BO) other than color (and in three cases, pickups). Except as noted, these have 1.73" nuts. These are excellent quality basses. Thanks to @MCF for the info on these and for the photos, except the CS LE logo photo (posted in 2009 by @Johnny Crab ).
    • 2007 Sparkling Pelham Blue (standard Epi bolt-on pickups)
    • 2006 Sparkling Candy Apple Red (standard Epi bolt-on pickups)
    • ??? Ebony (standard Epi bolt-on pickups)[1]
    • 2009 Silverburst (Epi guitar humbuckers)
    • 2014 TV Silver (Epi guitar humbuckers) 1.5" nut
    • 2010 Alpine White (Epi guitar humbuckers)

I have owned a Silverburst bolt on Bird, people like to use the body on these, add a Fender style neck and create a Fender-Bird like what John Entwistle played in the 60’s.

I have a Classic Pro. It’s a nice bass, plays and sounds great. I played it out for several years. Mine’s white, it looks great. It is very comparible to the the recent Gibson models. I currently have it apart, I routed it for a third (middle) pickup. I’m trying to decide what color to finish it in, I’m leaning towards sea foam green, but that could change.

I’ve never owned a Pro before, I did some mods on a Pro V for a customer. Originally, I was going to replace the preamp for a better unit, but on a whim I wired it passive. Both the customer and I were blown away at how great that bass sounded.

I scored a great deal on a black Vintage Pro Bird, it was a new return that had cracks at both sides of the nut. This bass kills. It has that classic Tbird growl/clank/whatever. Lol.

This bass is so much fun to play with a pick through a nice tube amp (in my case, a Ashdown LB 30 head with a ABM 6x10 cab). I installed a set of DR Hi Def Neon yellow strings (just because I had them sitting around). On a side note, I have never repaired the bass, as I planned to refinish it with a metalflake finish. It plays fine as it is (for now). Until this came up…

When the 64 TBird came out in purple flake, that was it. I rarely purchase a new instrument, but I pre-ordered this one. The first arrived with the bridge uncomfortably high and tilting, in addition the were minor cracks on both sides of the nut. It looked cool, but even the finish was weird, it’s kind of an opaque lavender base coat, but the purple flakes weren’t evenly applied. kind of blotchy. I returned it and came close to just getting a refund, but I tried again. I was glad I did, because the next one was perfect. Maybe the first one was pre-production?

This is the one I kept.

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Thanks everyone!

Doh…IV representing four strings should’ve been obviously :roll_eyes: haha

Yeah, a bolt on neck in general isn’t a concern for me, I was just thinking maybe they were known to be an issue on Thunderbird’s. I read of some issues, but at the end of the day it’s just another guitar. I think the internet just enjoys complaining about Thunderbirds!

They pop up on marketplace from time to time and just want to be knowledgeable if a opportunity arises. Thanks for the help!

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that is a beautiful tbird (the purple one).

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