First private lesson... am I crazy?!?

Hey all, I just had my first 1-on-1 in-person private bass lesson and (spoiler alert!) it went terribly, and I just really need to vent/get some reassurance that I haven’t been going about this all wrong. Now there’s A LOT of background information in this story, but I will address all of that as it becomes relevant.

I have been learning bass for about four months at this point and am about halfway through the course. I told myself I would start here and if I was really enjoying it, then I would start learning more seriously and find a teacher. I am still very much a beginner bassist, BUT I am not a beginner to music. I have played drums for over 15 years. I played all through high school and college. I was in concert band, symphonic band, jazz band, I played in church, I joined a friend’s rock band, I marched drum corps and indoor drumline. I played snare, tenors, marimba, timpani, I can read sheet music… you get the picture. I did take a long break after college, so my chops are gone, but the knowledge and experiences are still all there. I explained all this to the instructor (who came recommended from a friend) and we were all set to begin lessons.

Now my first major red flag was that when we started the lesson, he didn’t ask me or seem at all interested in my “why?” I do private language instruction on the side, and the first question I ask literally all of my adult students is “Why do you want to learn the language I am teaching?” and “What goals do you have for your language learning, if any?” ANY INSTRUCTOR in a private 1-on-1 setting who does not ask one or both of these questions to you in the five minutes of your first lesson more than likely has no idea how to actually teach. And I will stand by that.

He leaves me to warm-up, so I start running through my major and minor scales then start playing some riffs I like. As soon as he comes back he tells me I am playing wrong. I have my thumb resting on the pickup and am plucking using pointer and middle fingers (you know, like how every video on YouTube teaches you to play). The “correct” way is to rest your thumb on the neck and pull your wrist all the way down to pluck. Why you might ask? Because your pointer and middle fingers are different lengths, so when you pluck your middle finger will be louder than your pointer finger. When you play his way, both finger tips will be parallel to the string and thus produce the same volume.

What?!? So not only does this approach feel uncomfortable and look ridiculous, the entire justification he gave is simply not true. However, it ended up being totally okay and not really mattering. Why? Because he insisted that I play with a pick for our first lesson.

Yes. My bass teacher insisted that I play with a pick for the entirety of our first lesson even after I told him that I wanted to learn to play finger style.

It was about at this point that I realized that this would be my first and last lesson with this instructor.

The remaining fifty minutes of the lesson went equally as the first ten minutes. He spent the next 15 minutes explaining to me how to read sheet music and count rhythms after I already told him I knew how to. He said that beats 1 and 3 were “strong” and beats 2 and 4 were “soft.” Those are literal translations of the words he used, and I am only pointing it out because it will come up again later.

We then spent the next 30 minutes sight reading from a work book he wrote. I have never been good at sight reading, and doing it on an instrument I barely know in a clef I never read made it even more difficult. When I would mess up he would just say “that’s wrong.” Yeah, I know. I have ears, too. No tips, no insight, no teaching, just “that’s wrong. Okay here’s the next random melody I want you to play.”

There were so many random things he would say that just made no sense. I like he told me always down pick on down beats and up pick on up beats, regardless of the string. I would play beat three on the D string as a down pick, the and of three would be on the G string, so I would down pick again and he would say that’s wrong. I should have up picked. Makes no sense. Why would I not be as efficient as possible and down pick that again?

He also kept telling me I was playing wrong/wrong dynamics. Which I thought was odd because there were exactly dynamic markings written on any of the music he gave me. After some back and forth I realized that why back at the beginning of the lesson when he told me that beat one was “strong” he wanted me to play it accented and beat three should be almost as strong (like with a tenuto). I told him that if he wanted those notes played accented then they need to be noted as such. He said, literally, “Beat 1 is always accented.”

What?!?

He then spent the last 10 minutes of our (my) lesson ranting to me about “feel” and “tempo” and “the role of the bass” and he had very clearly made a lot of assumptions about me because of background as a drummer. He kept saying “bass isn’t about speed” and then would mimic a drummer playing a big fill (arms flailing and all) and “when you play bass tempo doesn’t matter, it’s about the feel.” WHERE DO YOU THINK THE FEEL COMES FROM? Again it would be one thing if he had taught me about feel and groove, but he had me sight reading twinkle-twinkle little star and other random 8 phrases I had never heard before.

“Play this. That was wrong. Now play this.”

This dude very clearly had one approach to the instrument and instruction and by God that’s what he’s going to teach and that’s the way he is going to teach it. I don’t care if he has been running that shop longer than I have been alive; he has no idea how to teach music. I am not crazy, right guys? I am just better off doing what I have been doing and having fun learning on my own, right?

Sorry for the negativity, but I just needed to rant. What has your experience been with private teachers? Take care all.

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Hey @chuffman9,

Seems like you really had a bad experience and (hopefully) won’t take another lesson with that particular guy. Sometimes the chemistry is not there, or the teaching is sub-par, and you absolutely don’t have to accept that guy’s way to go about it.

For me, the big learning in your text would be that you have lots of experience and it would be neat to tap into that. The counting or sheet music, for example. It took me ages to be able to count out loud on bass but it helped so much! So maybe you can find another teacher or make up your own plans to benefit from your past experience.

And the good thing is that there are many structured courses online nowadays, some with video chat feedback options, some without. I think you’ll be fine learning on your own for a while.

Cheers,
Antonio

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I’ve had good luck with 2 different private bass instructors.
I think you need to find a different one.

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You need a new instructor. plain and simple

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Really sorry you had to go through that bullshit. Unfortunately, there are too many so-called bass instructors in the world, who deliver more harm than good.

B2B presents the very best beginner bass instruction and motivation. Period.

My unsolicited advice is to finish the course, mindfully and deliberately. B2B is quite literally the antidote to bad, misguided guidance by “wrong” instructors like the lame-o you recently had to endure.

Shake that crap off and experience the right way to learn to play. You’ll be much more empowered and fulfilled.

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TL;DR

Were there snacks? Snacks always make things better.

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This.

You had a bad experience… it’s annoying but Josh will help you… and in the meantime start looking for another teacher. There are for sure more instructors!

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This sounds miserable and this person is probably not the teacher for you.

There are some things you do control to help things go better with your next instructor. My first lesson was about 30 minutes of talking and 15 minutes of practical instruction and included many things like these:

  1. Tell them why. You don’t have to wait for them to ask. “My goal in the near term is to play 5 songs in around a campfire that my friends and family will sing along to”.
  2. Set expectations. When I started with my instructor we had a conversation that went like this: "I have a full time real job, two small kids at home, and a number of other activities and places that I show up for. I can practice this many minutes per day and I will do so seriously.
  3. Talk about your influences: "While I like many songs from many genres, my taste is anchored in 80s new wave and 90’s/2000s hiphop. Can we use songs from these genres and entry points into lessons?
  4. Set boundaries: I am exclusively interested in plucking with my fingers. We can talk about picks months down the road.
  5. Say where you are: I have played flugelhorn for decades and can read music fluently, understand scales, and count rhythm etc. I am half way through the B2B video course and have memorized the first two positions of the fret board.
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…was absolutely appropriate.
It sounds like you’re describing a terrible movie where the teacher is played by Jack Black for ridiculous comic effect.

This is a teaching anomaly, the guy is terrible, and you certainly should not and need not ever return for his tutelage.

I’ve been teaching privately for over 20 years now.
I’ve never heard of anything quite that over the top bad before.
Your story wins.

I hope you find a band / a jam sessions / or another person to go to.

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I think you meant inappropriate, correct?

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No, @chuffman9’s negativity towards this instructor was entirely appropriate.

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Yeah, upon reading the ludicrous lesson review, the very reasonable and relatively mild negativity were very warranted and understandable.

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@Gio

I agree.

My mistake.

Without context, I thought the “negativity” term cited referred to the lame-o instructor’s saying “wrong” all the time.

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Hello @chuffman9 and welcome. I took some individual lessons and canceled when I didn’t feel they were providing any value.

If I had your experience I would have stopped the lesson right then and there, told the instructor it was not working out and if he asked why politely express what you shared here.

If I don’t like what I’m paying for I’m not going to waste my time putting up with any nonsense. I’m going to tell you right away.

Btw, I had a similar percussion/drum experience - from concert band even to playing in church - only for half the time. I did not continue in college.

I played with the Bergen County Cadets for a summer. I like playing music, but playing from sun up until after dark when everyone had their cars in a circle with headlights on was too much for me.

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Sorry to hear about the bad experience.

I had my fair share of bad teachers.

I agree with @MikeC finish your B2B and go from there. As a player yourself you know lesson number one, the student must be ready for the teacher. Finish your course and play a bunch of songs, you’ll know what you need and what kind of teacher you are looking for after that.

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^^^^
This!

I’d also be very tempted to contact the “teacher” and provide clear, unambiguous feedback.

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I had some friends march the Cadets (RIP). Those top ten corps are no joke.

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My friend you need a new teacher. My teacher is an absolute ANGEL. I’m an ‘ear player’ who was active with guitar in my teens. I knew chords and some Ventures music but that was it. It was also 50 years ago. I went back to guitar during Covid and eventually decided I needed in person instruction. She has written a Holistic book about music and guitar/bass instruction. Without realizing it, I became a fan of music theory! :flushed: I’d never played a bass so I bought a kit and built one, and fell in love. The logic of bass playing spoke to me. I learned that most music theory application traces back to piano. I recently changed to piano now and love it. This was partly due to a patient, kind teacher who is not full of herself, unlike the 2 I tried before her. Keep looking and good luck!

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I haven’t had any experience with a private teacher, but your “teacher” clearly doesn’t understand that you don’t motivate your student by constantly telling him/her they are wrong. You will find that the remainder of the B2B course is highly motivating…and fun. I loved every minute of it. So sorry you had to go through such an exasperating experience - hope you find someone worthy.

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I have had some doozies before. That’s why I went with B2B. I could get the feel of things before I moved on.

A good teacher does two things—asks questions and finds where you are and helps get you to the next level. Bonus if they have still a curiosity and find joy in what they teach and remember when they were at the stage you are at.

My unsolicited advice is to start playing with other people. It brings an accountability to your playing and it is so much fun. Or find a teacher with some snacks.

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