Flat wound vs round wound strings

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I think thatā€™s always the right idea ā€“ get the string that matches the tone you want to achieve.

There was this thing I recently experienced with my cheapy PJ that had these old roundwounds I inherited it with ā€“ and that bass and those strings were just effing loud and buzzy and annoying. And I picked it up later, having a few weeks of practice under my beltā€¦ and the strings were dumb and floppy like a Viagra-starved geezer and still effing loud and annoying, but they made this ugly sound I couldnā€™t get enough of. And because my fingers now knew (somewhat) what they were doing, it was great fun.

I donā€™t think Iā€™ll ever be one of those people who only do one kind of string. I mean, maybe, but thereā€™s a lot to be said about finding some magic in the least likely of places. One of those places is strings you thought youā€™d long sworn off.

And thatā€™s the story of me, instead of installing some flats, replacing my rounds with new rounds. :slight_smile:

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Funny you say this todayā€¦
Iā€™ve been on the flats kick for a while on my P and J (and nylons on my AE).
I have been ignoring the 5er with rounds, well, cause its a 5er and I have been focusing really hard on a couple of courses with only 4 strings.

I have a PJ that has rounds on it and for some reason I grabbed it tonight to practice and do some lessons onā€¦and I loved it. Not because I dislike the flats, but because it was so different sounding, clangs and all, added buzz and all. I think I actually missed it a bit.

What I did notice was that i really did not like the strings that were on it. I was on a bit of a string trying tear (once I learned how to setup and re-setup my basses). And the ones I put on really annoyed my fingers. I thought maybe it was from being so used to flats now. So I pulled out a different brand to try MJC Ironworks, and dang!!! I really liked them. Liked the feel, liked the tone. Played til my hands started hurting.

What I have really enjoyed of late on bass is exploring all the different tonal options and nuance of tone. Between bass, pickups, strings, amps/cabs(sims), preamps, effects whatever, it is really fun. Yes you can go down a rabbit hole instead of practicingā€¦but I have tried to set aside some time just for ā€˜tone findingā€™ vs. practicing.

On sax, your mouthpiece is 90% of your tone, and although you can vary it greatly, you tend to hone in on certain tones or as they call them, sound concepts (ooh, fancy!).

I feel like bass is just the opposite, you can not only find ā€˜your toneā€™ but you can also explore loads of tonal options much easier than sax. Itā€™s very cool!

So, @chordsykatā€¦the moral of the story here, as it always is, isā€¦a bass with flats and a bass with rounds :rofl:

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I think there is a place for everything under this sun. But I prefer roundwounds only because theyā€™re brighter which fits metal much better which I keep on my 6 string bass perpetually.

Having said this after the next 4 string bass I get only for roundwounds again, I will get a Fender Jazz bass afterwards to keep flatwounds on it permanently so I can have that amazing vintage tone as well.

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Somewhere there is a bass video with Dave Ellefson where he says a lot of people miss giving credit to their own plucking fingers (and instead point to fretting, I assume) when it comes to their ā€œstyleā€ and that is so true. More than any other instrument Iā€™ve played (besides maybeā€¦ the voice) string instruments have that dual-faceted thing of ā€œright sound/right feelā€. Itā€™s tactile and visceral. You said it best ā€“ you can go down the rabbit hole, but until you put your fingers on that fretboard a few hundred times, can you really say if you love it or hate it?

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How do you like the chromes?

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I like them a lot on my Epiphone EB-0. Theyā€™ve been on there for about 9 months and have a nice thump that really fits that bass. I feel like Labellas have more of a midrange presence whereas the Chromes are maybe more scooped. Of course, that may just be because of the instruments that are on.

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Thank youā€¦Iā€™m really interested in trying themā€¦being new to the instrument you hear about them but I havenā€™t had the opportunity to test drive them but I like the idea of the chromes and Iā€™m glad they have that scooped sound because the guitar I want to try them on has a ton of honk.

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Yesterday I received a set of ā€œThomastik-Infeld Jazz Flatwoundā€ in an extra long scale 5 string for my Jaco fretless. Those buggers better sound goodā€¦ they were ordered in February and cost just shy of AU$170. WOW! But Iā€™m thinking itā€™ll be worth it to stop those nasty roundwounds chopping up the fretboard on the Jaco and Iā€™m told they last a very long time.

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They are very nice indeed. They take longer to settle in tuning wise then most. Pre-stretch them well.

I didnā€™t keep them on as they were thinner than what I had and caused issues on the nut and instead of working the nut I went to labellas.

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Iā€™ve seen those nanoweb elixir strings on markets going for about a hundred or so, I thought that was wild. Whatā€™s up with that?

Was there a fine print somewhere underneath that single thumbnail image that said it was a pack of 10 that I missed or something?

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Those are coated strings and they last for a very very very long time. I have them on for over 2 months and they still sound like I put them on yesterday.

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Wow that is wild! How long are they supposed to last?

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I was looking for some flats that donā€™t sound ā€œThuddyā€ (I know thatā€™s not a word) but I want some brightness without destroying my fingerboard. As for the cost, I think some of the cost was due to the rarity of super long scale as the Jaco is 35" through bodyā€¦ anyway, Iā€™m about to string it now. Iā€™ll let you guys know what I think. P.S. Cheers @John_E, Iā€™ll stretch before I pass judgement.

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Ok ā€¦ strings fitted and @John_E, I have never had to stretch strings as much as I have thoseā€¦ thanks for the ā€œheads upā€ ā€¦ it would be a bit embarrassing at rehearsals to keep having to tune up so much. These strings feel and sound amazing. Enough chit-chat, Iā€™ve gotta go play something!!

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Hard to tell but I can give you a little story. I used to and still do destroy regular strings within couple of hours of playing. And by destroy I mean they start to sound dead.

During one very hot summer day I was playing guitar and my hands were really sweating. I manged to CORRODE bottom 3 string within 15 minutes while the top 3 were dead next day. That was the day when I decided to try coated strings.

I think I tried them all and only Elixirs delivered. Most manufacturers donā€™t coat unwounded strings which makes them useless in my case. To my knowledge only Elixirs do this but things might have changed since then.

So the fact that I play them for over 2 months and they still sound fresh and zingy (and I do play daily for 2+ hours) should tell you something.

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Hey Kids!

Interesting factoid and question here.

As a recent proud owner of 2 basses, I have one with flats (P-clone, GHS Precision Flats) and another with rounds (Ray 4, stock EB Slinkys). Both are in the same gauge (45-105). Iā€™m also on lesson 64 of B2B.

Anyways, in Lesson 60, Josh did a reggae practice piece in a major chord progression, and yesterday I did Roxanne as a minor chord progression in lesson 63.

The really interesting thing is that I had a hell of a time doing the reggae piece on the Ray with rounds, but it was dead easy on the P-clone with flats. With Roxanne, it was the total opposite, and itā€™s in fact the first full lesson I did on the Ray.

Have any of you come across that? Is it the shape of the neck, the strings or pure psychology? Iā€™m curious asā€¦

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I notice this too but have not found a correlation other than my mood of the day.

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Yes, and as in your case, I think it is the string spacing.
The Ray4 has a Jazz neck, more narrow at the nut, strings closer together.

Your P clone (if it has a P neck on it) is wider at the nut, and the strings are further apart.

I love my Ray4 neck and play most everything on it, but I have a Dean MetalMan M Bass (shape of Dimebagā€™s guitars) and it has a wide P neck with wider string spacing.

As a total beginner, I liked the thinner neck and thought it was easier to play. Now that i am not a total beginner, I still enjoy the Ray4 neck most, but I have gotten tied up in some intricate string crossing, hammer on finger roll sections, and when I play them on the wider neck with the strings further apart, I have found those rolls easier and crossing strings is cleaner.

IMHO, it is more the string spacing, but I canā€™t say for sure, as I have round wounds on all but one bass. After putting the flats on that bass, I thought it was way harder to play, and did not like it. Instead of changing strings back, I decided to sell it, cuz I have a few Rays now and that one is valuable and I can get good money for it, and it is not my go to Ray anyway.

I guess I thought it was harder to play, then rounds because of the strings, but I think I could get used to that, and it would not stay a factor. IDK for sure tho.

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Didnā€™t know exactly where to post this but figured this was the best place for nowā€¦ I knowā€¦ Itā€™s a couple a frigginā€™ covers, but the only reason Iā€™m posting them is for the comparison value - not the cover valueā€¦ Anyway, hereā€™s a link to the covers and the story, but you might wanna read on a bitā€¦

https://go-low.billlanahan.com/wp/2021/05/24/drift-away/

I spent the last weekend visiting one of my daughters and her family on the beaches of North Carolina this past weekend. With restrictions somewhat lifted, my wife, daughter, and I decided to have a bit of fun doing a pub crawl while her husband was out surfing during the incoming tideā€¦ Needless to say, I was invited to play at one of the local pubs later in the evening - especially since their bass player was a ā€œbit outta commissionā€ā€¦ His Bass,ā€¦ a MIA Fender PJ with LaBella Flatsā€¦

I really liked the feel and tone of those flats - especially playing live ā€œOpen Ampā€ā€¦ SO, I decided to throw a set on my Fender P and do some comparative testingā€¦ Given the number of slides, and the genre of music Iā€™ve been working on lately, I put together two different recording covers of ā€œDrift Awayā€ as sung by Dobie Gray.

Iā€™m not gonna make mention as to how I feel personally about either of the sounds from each recording, but I do have my personal preferences. I only put this together for those of you who want to ā€œhearā€ the differences in a recording. Understand that during the recordings, I kept ALL levels the same except for the volume knob on my Fender Pā€¦ I had to reduce it a bit in order to alleviate ā€œClippingā€ since the Flats do produce a bit more resonanceā€¦

You be your own judgeā€¦ I have my opinions and preferences, as we all do, but my main focus here was to help provide a bit of help in how strings (especially flats vs rounds) do (or donā€™t) make too much difference when recording a bass lineā€¦ Howeverā€¦ Playing live,ā€¦ well that might be another storyā€¦

Keep on Thumpinā€™
Lanny

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