Give up private lessons?

Hi All,

I don’t know if this is the right forum to reach out on, pardon me if I’m in error, but I’m in a bit of a dilemma with the bass.

I made the move to take private bass lessons at the advanced age of 56 years old last year. Can you believe that 56! I felt that the window of opportunity was closing on me very quickly, so I had to do it now or never. I never played an instrument in my life and I thought this would be an intriguing endeavor (a fantasy) to explore at my advancing age.

I found a seemingly nice elderly gentleman who’s semi retired and has been giving lessons for over 50 years. I take lessons at his small studio 3 days a week.

The main push for me to take the lessons was driven by a goal oriented, intellectual experiment, to see if I could stick with the lessons for a minimum of one year. I did just that by completing a year. My goal was to just learn the basics and move on. I’m most intrigued with the patterns and understanding the mechanics of the bass. I’m an analytical thinker and that leaves lots of room for me to pause and think. It’s not the best practice if you’re trying to learn a song by trying to play in time and keep a steady rhythm going while thinking too hard! I’m absolutely terrible with rhythm and timing even after a year of lessons. Ditto for my playing in general. My old fingers of fate certainly do fracture the dear fretboard!

Here’s my dilemma now; I’m on the cusp of giving up my private lessons. I’ll give you a rundown of what my 12 months of bass lessons consisted of; learning the g, c and d scales, eights, 12 bar blues all the way up the neck, rhythm, melody and timing, some tabs, and a plethora of very short abbreviated songs. My teacher told me early on that he doesn’t use a curriculum for bass students, only for guitar. I think that’s a red flag, eh?

Each lesson became a virtual repeat. I gradually became increasingly bored with the repetition and began practicing less and less. One day I was practicing the g and c scales and 12 bar blues for the millionth time with a metronome nonetheless, over and over until I said to myself I’ve had it.

Like I said my teacher seems like a nice old guy, but I think his teaching materials are questionable. I wasn’t learning the bass to become a performer, gig or jam with others. Even if I was 40 years younger and in my prime I wouldn’t have wanted to do that. I wanted to collect as much knowledge on the basics and move on to an alternative learning course outside of private lessons.

I generally don’t seek the advice from others, but since I’m still very much new to the bass world a little help would be welcome. Given the summary of my explanation of lessons and possible future goals, would it be best to cancel the private lessons like I’ve been teetering on and move on, or is there a silver lining to be found if I stayed on with the lessons? I just don’t know. At my old age I’m not planning on this being a life long hobby. That’s why I want to keep it simple. But I do have a thirst for knowledge and would love to gain more knowledge about the bass without plucking out a few notes here and there with another year’s worth of simple, short songs. That gets tired very quickly.

Sorry for the long essay. I just need some clarification from others who have more in depth experience with lessons, etc., of what would be most prudent in my situation.

Thank you for reading my post.

8 Likes

Welcome to the forum @Aderly5 ! I moved your post to its own thread instead of the “Introduce Yourself” thread so it can get properly discussed.

The Josh short answer - if you’re not enjoying a teacher, or convinced they’re helping you get closer to your goals, you can either…

  1. Tell them “hey I’d like to achieve X, what should I do to get there?” and see if you get useful input.
  2. Bail
  3. Get a bad answer from #1 and then bail
  4. Stick with it and be bored and suffer :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d recommend anything but option 4. :slight_smile:

19 Likes

@Aderly5 To elaborate on Josh’s suggestion, maybe find a curriculum you like and have the private teacher there to evaluate your progress occasionally? I’d suggest B2B followed by Talkingbass. Many of us here on the forum started with B2B then moved on to Talkingbass and between those we have years worth of curriculum material for practice. I also started late at 57 (now almost 1-1/2 years into it). If you’re an analytical type (like me, I’m an engineer) I really got into the theory elements introduced in B2B and expanded upon at Talkingbass. I just picked up an upright bass to start learning that and I’m planning on finding an in person teacher for that, but up to this point I’ve not had one.

6 Likes

Tough spot to be in. My initial reaction , move on as it doesn’t sound like it is worthy of your time and/or $$$. Obviously you won’t be a jerk to the guy , but move on.

What next?? Search for a jam circle , open mic , etc. You have a solid foundation for playing along with others and growing in that direction. Once you have mixed it up , lessons with pay dividends for sure in the future. Highly recommend auditioning or playing with a band this winter. Play whole notes , ask questions , have fun , and enjoy the journey.

Play On @Aderly5,

Cheers

7 Likes

I’ve taken lessons through the parks department for acoustic guitar, and class lessons as an adult. For me, group lessons work best because I can only take information in so fast, and seeing others mistakes is helpful too. I’ve never taken private bass lessons, but I am pretty sure that at $50 a pop, I’d never be as far along as I am now for what I paid for the B2B classes.

4 Likes

I fundamentally disagree with this as a life choice. We just don’t have enough time on earth to work it all out ourselves; so asking / seeking advice is the only sensible shortcut (4000 weeks and you’re toast).

The only thing I know for sure (at 54) is that I really don’t know anything at any kind of competent level.

However to answer your question. There are lots of us in our 40’s, 50’s and 60’s who’ve gone through the BassBuzz course and now play with other people. Be it in a band or just jam nights somewhere. I started at 49 and at 54 am in a cover band playing bars and getting paid to do it.

Or this guy. Completed the BassBuzz course and a year later formed his own band. Magic!

Playing with other people and learning songs rather than playing the Maj / Minor scales all day is where it’s at IMHO. It’s also fun.

Have a look around your local area and see if you can find something.

Our band has a gig this Friday. So guess what I’m doing all week, every evening? Practicing the 30 song set list. Good luck.

9 Likes

Dude you’re 56, not dead :sign_of_the_horns: :sign_of_the_horns:

11 Likes

I’ll be 58 in a few months. 56 when I started. But I feel the effects of age being diagnosed with vascular disease last year.

4 Likes

I feel that, I’m 52 but disabled with all kinds of problems. I didn’t mean to be dismissive, I apologize. I was just sayin’ rock on :slight_smile:

9 Likes

As a professional bass teacher, I have absolutely recommended students do the BassBuzz course instead of work with me.
It all depends on if the student is getting what they’re looking for, and a teacher - even a good one - can’t always be the connection you need.

I’d agree with Josh’s points above 100%.

If you can’t get a better, more personal and satisfying response by asking you might need to move on.
There are other teachers and other courses to check out.

Best of luck!

8 Likes

It sounds like you’ve gotten everything useful that you can from this instructor at this time. It is time to go off and work on other things. You can come back to them later if you want to.

Where you go next, depends on your goals.

Given what you have described, I would strongly recommend you shift gears with three things:

  1. Take online lessons
  2. Get a fretless bass
  3. Take Dance lessons

Online lessons: will feed you new, novel, intellectual information. Decide what topics or techniques you want to learn, and pick a lesson path that fits those. The B2B course here is great. It may not be the Most-Right answer, but it is definitely not he wrong answer. After that (or if you feel like skipping it), look over at Talking Bass or Scott’s Bass Lessons for courses.

Fretless Bass will give you a new understanding of the mechanics of playing bass. It will also force you into new techniques and ways of playing that will likely jive with you better. Less speedy movement, but more careful and precise touch. It will help you play more gently.

Dance lessons are the best way to train your sense of rhythm. Something you identified as a major weakness in your playing. Find a musical genre that interests you. Preferably something more rhythmically focused like: latin, swing (Lindy Hop or West Coast Swing based on the music), blues, or hip hop. I would avoid ballrooms or ballroom dance schools or line dancing. Those tend to focus on teaching steps and patterns over teaching connecting with the rhythms of the music. Which is what you want to focus on.

8 Likes

@JoshFossgreen summed it up perfectly. My son takes sax lessons and recently said he was not learning anything new. That’s when it’s time to move on. I would definitely recommend the Beginner to BadAss course. That and or find another instructor that more aligns with what you’re looking to achieve.

I’d also recommend a re-evaluation of why you’re playing bass. You said you have no plans on performing with others nor it being a lifelong hobby. Everyone will tell you it’s probably impossible to get good at anything in a short amount of time bass included.

Oh, and lots of us started later in life, myself at 57. I only wish started much sooner. Good luck!

7 Likes

Despite your experience with the in-person teacher, if you’re interested in actually learning bass with zero bullshit, sign up for the Beginner to Badass (B2B) course. It will be the best investment of time and money you could possibly make.

For what it’s worth, based on countless experiences of people on the forum and elsewhere, Josh and his team have developed a quick, fun and extremely effective way to get you learning and playing. All you need to do is work through bite-size modules (and not skipping the “Oh, I already know this!” “simple” ones).

B2B is deceptive. Each lesson and module presents and teaches technique, theory, attitude, music appreciation, and more — by presenting riffs, licks and phrases by means of songs from a variety of music genres. Some songs could be old faves of yours; others you might never have heard of before, much less listened to. However, being exposed to all the lesson/module example breakdowns and exercises broadens your horizons and teaches important bass playing basics. Plus, they are just plain fun! Even the tougher ones.

Anyway, if you are interested in actually learning how to play bass, just realize that beginners don’t know what they don’t know — yet. B2B is the best and quickest way to find out what those things are, and how to approach learning more once you’re done with the course. Good luck.

8 Likes

Hi, I’m 57, and started when I was 54. The first year i took private lessons. Then I started the b2ba course. I also started working around the clock 6 days a week. I still finished the b2ba course, (took 2 yrs )and can say I made significantly more progress with the online course. Everything that Josh says in the course about learning, the learning process, skill development ex“you need to develope a healthy relationship with your mistakes” is true. I would say drop the privates and really focus on the course and all the extra free videos. Bass Buzz is an amazing resource, I believe it is the best option for any beginner.

6 Likes

I 100% agree with @Barney, life is too short not to ask for help and advice, and frankly ask for short cuts to getting the most out our limited number of journeys around the sun (universe, 13.7bn years, planet Earth, 4.6bn years, average human lifespan, about 80’ish years…). Oh, I’m also that guy in the pic :winking_face_with_tongue:

Rather than theory, my goal was simply to get good enough to get into, or start a band. A boyhood dream made real in my 50s. As I’ve got older, I’ve become more and more enamoured with the JFDI approach to life, if you want to do it, Just (beep) Do It!

Regarding the lessons, if they are not delivering what you need, then I’d just move on. As others have said, B2B is fantastic. People progress from B2B to more in depth courses, others like me bash out the covers (I’m a learn by doing kind’a person) and play in a band. No right or wrongs, just what fits the individual.

7 Likes

It’s clear that this is not the right combination of curriculum and instructor for you right now @Aderly5. Now what to do about it?

I’ve had a number of frank conversations with instructors about what I wanted to achieve and in what time I wanted to achieve it. It’s totally fair to set a goal and ask the instructor to tell you (or even better write down) what it will take to get there.

Alternately you can absolutely ask why you’re working on the what you’re working on. Bring up that it feels repetitive.. is there a purpose you’ve missed? Maybe he thinks you’re not interested in anything else.

One thing is for sure though, if you’ve found a teacher who you can learn from, whose style of explanation and training works for you that can be huge. In my opinion it’s worth the conversation.

I also fully support you bailing if this is not the right time/place/method/situation for you right now.

Last the advice to join a band or jam session is evergreen. Putting yourself in that position may well help you understand what your goals actually are if it’s not already clear.

3 Likes

That’s because you’re actually professional and not just out for a quick buck, of course.

5 Likes

before commenting I want to say I think you guys are reading a little too much in to Aderly5’s throwaway comment there in their specific case.

But in general - I completely agree with you. As an American, I can say that this is also a historically rooted American thing - the notion that there is virtue in finding your own path to well-trod problems versus standing on the shoulders of greats, and I just don’t get it.

Azimov had a great take on it.

5 Likes

I’ve been doing both bass n guitar lessons for 18 months. The realization is i do better online , creating my own needed curriculum , and just playing with friends. It all hit me one day last week when my mind and friends said you aren’t progressing well with an instructor, go back to your own way. So,6 lessons left and I’m out of there.

4 Likes

If you don’t feel excited about your lessons then quit, and possibly find a new teacher.

There are lots of options for learning online. I’m about your age and analytical (nice to see a bunch of us on here!) and I did B2B and talkingbass, but I wanted feedback from a human. I tried a couple of instructors before I found one for me. Its all online, and he gives me songs to play that I would not otherwise try. We work on theory a bit (scales, etc) and I want to continue a talkingbass course, so he checks in on that. I look forward to the lesson each week and always get actionable feedback. That’s what works for me.

There are literally 1000’s of instructors, find a good one for you.

All the other ideas of playing with others, online courses, etc. are all great. You need to decide what will motivate and excite you to play. Don’t be afraid to switch things up if you change what you want either. It’s a journey, there is no right path.

3 Likes