hmm yes that does seem strange
hmm yes that does seem strange
I wasn’t following this thread. What device are we looking at?
It’s possible to write a spec number for almost anything you want. Rarely does anyone specify the other conditions of the test. SPL is frequency dependent. At what frequency was the measurement made? Everything in audio is time duration dependent. How long can it produce that level? Was the number measured or extrapolated from a lower measurement and scaled up based on some theory? If the number was scaled up, has power compression been taken into account? Or other nonlineatities?
A common industry practice among reputable manufacturers is to drive a loudspeaker with pink noise with a crest factor of 6dB for long periods of time to determine the average power that it can take, limited by overheating. Then they will extrapolate the peak power to be 4x the average power based on the 6dB crest factor. Someone may take that peak power number and apply it to the sensitivity (SPL at 1W 1 meter) and get their peak SPL number that way.
Anywhoo, except for the top end manufacturers, specs often mean nothing.
A woofer’s short term instantaneous peak level is limited by the excursion distance the cone is able to travel before the coil pops out of the gap and never goes back.
Sound levels drop according to the inverse square law due to the formula for the surface area of a sphere increasing as the radius (distance from the speaker) increases. The easy way to calculate that is to subtract 6dB every time you double the distance. If you are getting 100 dB at 1 meter, you will get 94 dB at 2 meters and 88 dB at 4 meters and so on.
I couldn’t find an actual data sheet on the Headrush Frfr-108. The 129 dB number is going to be the nominal level across its frequency range that they say goes down to 52Hz. The question is, how much has the level dropped by the time you get to 52 Hz?
It’s common to see people measure usable frequency range at the -10 dB point.
If you ignore that this is an FRFR for a moment, this is basically the same thinking of whether you generally want an 8” cabinet or a 4x10” cabinet. The FRFR won’t perform any better than an 8” bass cabinet made for bass. They aren’t using a magic 8”.
too high for me. if I ever buy a FRFR , which is very possible, I’d search for 35-40Hz.
I don’t know anything that would do that without crossing it over to a subwoofer. It would have to be a two-cabinet rig to make a 3-way or 4-way system.
My theory (and I have no reason for this other than the number is so high for so many of them) is that across the board, manufacturers simply calculated based on peak amp power versus speaker sensitivity. Which would yield the maximum possible value at whatever the mystery optimal frequency was with everything else being perfect.
I agree. I’ve worked with some super optimistic spec speakers until they stopped working.
Just want to throw in here, some insanely high quality amps from Phil jones have even smaller than 8” speakers. And they are amazing.
Heavy or not, that’s a beauty!
I’ve been wanting to listen to one of these. Which one do you suggest from your experience?
Four 5" drivers have the same surface area as a 10" driver and I’ve seen properly designed 5" drivers outperform what you typically see in terms of low frequency limit. Not many companies pay the extra $ for something high performing in that range. PJ may have a cool boutique niche here.
@DaveT I don’t own a Phil Jones. However, a friend has a RG800 (Roadcase). The price is high, but that thing is an absolute tone monster.
hahaha 12x5, amazing. I bet that thing is a monster.
It should be! That’s the equivalent surface area of a 3x10 or more pushing air. I don’t know what they are doing, but if I were designing a cabinet like that I’d want to cross it over to use fewer drivers as the frequency range goes up. I’d probably have a full set, a range for 4x5 and a range for 1x5. If the wavelength of the tone gets short compared to the distance between drivers, they start to cancel each other out instead of working together. Designed well, this box could give any FRFR cabinet a run. @terb
Thanks man, that explained it a lot to me. I’ll be visiting the Bassmatters.nl store some where next summer, to see if I can find and test a pedal or two. Now at least I know what to look for, before giging begins.
At home practicing, writing and recording is fine for now. I’ve almost got the sound allready I’m looking for.
I just ordered a Phil Jones compact 4 cab, 4 x 5" in a box about a cubic foot
My plan is to get a second one later for a small stack. Really small.
Awesome! I can’t wait to hear how low does it go.
Hell yeah! I’m looking forward to hearing what you think of it.
Not sure how good headrush is for bass…I think it has more models and effects for guitar. Anyone check out the Spark practice amp? Looks like a great practice tool.