It's ALL fake

I tried it. I asked for “a reggae song about oppression”. The lyrics were about oppression, but in the last 40+ years, I have never heard a single reggae song that sounded anywhere near what the AI generated. Pop, yes. Reggae? Not even close. FAIL.

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McCartney has stepped in on this debate now:

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This also keeps all of the shots VERY short to not give you time to get a good enough look at anything to notice the tell-tale signs of AI.

If you pause it on pretty much any single frame, you can start to make things out.

But the point remains, not only do many people miss those signs when still, but even more will miss it when moving.

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As someone with nothing to do with computers or art professionally, I am happy to admit being fooled.
It looks like it was put through a filter of some kind to me-I would have assumed to get a quirky fun look.
AI is progressing at a frightening pace, even now we are not sure what to believe, with AI we truly will not be able to tell truth from fiction.
We are also being primed for this by universal cautions about ‘misinformation’ and ‘disinformation’.
Our owners (per George Carlin), are telling us what they are going to do and I am sure will provide a ‘solution’.
The Why Files actually has an episode on this.
In regard to music.
I did a Blues through a free AI program over a year ago, it was pretty good.
How have things advanced in that time?
Rick Beato had an episode about this also

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Scary shit if you are a creator.

This:

was a single version from this prompt:
hard rock song with a 1970s sound about the dangers of AI
Have a verse each about fear, government, misinformation and despair
Strong bass, guitar and drums

It would not let me do it in the style of a named band (Iron Maiden)

I would not bat an eyelid if I heard this on the radio while driving

[Verse]
Metal eyes watchin us cold night
Threads of data whisperin lies
Fear clings like smoke to the air
Future twisted ain’t nobody got a prayer

[Verse 2]
Government pullin all the strings tight
Men in black suits shrouded in the night
Promises empty like barren land
Control tumblin can’t even make a stand

[Chorus]
Machine of shadows creepin in dark
Silent whispers cut deep like a shark
No one’s safe now from its ruthless bite
Lost in the matrix can’t find the light

[Verse 3]
Misinformation spreadin like fire
Words twisted hearts wrapped in wire
Truth a casualty in this endless war
Believin nothin we can’t tell anymore

[Bridge]
Despair creepin deep in the veins
Nightfall brings a world of chains
Holdin on to dreams long gone
Searchin for hope at the break of dawn

[Chorus]
Machine of shadows creepin in dark
Silent whispers cut deep like a shark
No one’s safe now from its ruthless bite
Lost in the matrix can’t find the light

It also did a shorter version which is a bit different

With more prompting/tweaking it could be better

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Every photograph and video is some kind of lie and especially in advertising and it has been since the photograph was invented. Someone pointed the camera in a direction and framed the shot in such a way to show you what they wanted you to see. Many news/documentary photographs have been criticized for not accurately depicting a scene because the framing left things out to change the appearance of what was actually happening.

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Yes, because faking it and managing to keep that a secret for all these years would be harder than going to the moon.

The only reason people continue to believe it’s fake is they don’t understand physics or they’re making money off convincing people it’s fake, just like flat earthers.

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Well that’s put my mind at rest. :grinning:

I also watched the documentary when I was a kid.

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I’ve returned my Tesla to the dealership

It kept sending me misinformation and veering to the far-right .

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:rofl:

The best version of this I have heard was “veering to the Reich”

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So, you are saying we should just relax, because it has always been like this!?!

media

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Omg… peoples brains are not ready for this….

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I’m not worried, because we’re looking at what AI is doing and asking the wrong questions.

We’re asking, “Is this real or fake?” That doesn’t matter.

The correct questions are:
“What is this trying to do?”
“What does it want to communicate?”
“Does it achieve that?”

The original video is ostensibly an ad for Porsche. If that’s the case, does it cause people to want to own a Porsche. For me, it doesn’t.

I’m not a film maker. I could make a more effective ad for a Porsche in one afternoon with a cell phone camera.

The AI song linked “Machine of Shadows”. It wrote a song with lyrics about control, misinformation, and despair. But at no point does it make me feel angry or afraid of control. It communicates no sense of despair. It sounds to me like… a parody beer commercial that you’d put in a GTA game or a satire like Idiocracy.

AI can write a script with four gangsters standing in a kitchen talking about coffee. But it could never write anything like the Coffee scene from Pulp Fiction. Because that scene isn’t about the coffee.

AI content is growing more and more fluid and polished, but I have seen zero improvement over the core issues that separate it from human art. It doesn’t understand anything, so it cannot generate anything with any sort of subtext or implications.

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The problem is, that more and more people are also not capable of this.
And the next generation (or the generation after) might not care and just love pretty pictures and some hollow muzak … like Instagram or Tiktok on steroids.

So, AI does not need to get more “intelligent” as people are getting more and more stupid :slight_smile:

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AI images have still not come any closer to understanding perspective.

What I mean is, one of the first things a human learns when drawing is to create a horizon or vanishing point that things disappear towards as they get further away from the point of perspective.

AI has no concept of the deeper structures that exist under the surface of an image.

So if you look at an AI image, although lines may taper off as things get farther away, they all taper to different points. Size changes are not consistent with how distant different objects are.

AI gets number of fingers correct now, but is no closer to this.

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People have been making this same complaint about “kids these days” forever. It’s not more true after the invention of AI than before.

And to be ruthlessly capitalistic utilitarian…

Porsche wants to sell cars. They don’t care if AI can create something pretty and distracting. If it can’t instill a desire to buy their product, it won’t replace humans.

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Being a f#cking lefty, I’m a strong believer in Marx’s theory of alienation!

Of course he did not think about AI when he wrote that, but still some of his ideas are very valid for this brave new world…

For those who have not read “Das Kapital”: Marx's theory of alienation - Wikipedia

(Or use ChatGPT :slight_smile: )

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Are you more or less capable of analyzing art and reading into subtext than the average person in the 19th century?

Have people managed to forge new artistic ground or not in that time?

If Marx were correct, you’d be in a worse situation than when he was writing.

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I know where you getting at.

My point is that virtualization (or as Marx would say “separation and estrangement of people from their work, their wider world, their human nature, and their selves”) has consequences.

For the first time in human kind, we can make all things seem real that are absolutely fake. I would not underestimate this development.

Our generations might be critical enough to understand the value of things being real. Next generations might not - fake “realities” will be part of their everyday life and shape their perception. They will not mind.

A little far fetched, but I remember how (at least in Germany), everybody d@mned the STASI (east German intelligence service) for knowing everything about anyone.
Now nobody seems to mind, that Facebook, Twitter, Tiktok or even your new car knows more about you than the STASI ever could.
And this knowledge has consequences … as you can see from the Chinese Social Credit System. I’m pretty sure that we will get there sooner than later too…

Values change, perception changes … and we are getting closer to AI (in the worst sense) cause it will be part of anything. And AI is fake in it’s very nature…

Not such a fan of Marx otherwise. Every “ism” is a dogma in the end. And dogmas always fail the test of time…

Hopefully… nothing, without being asked.

I think you were missing the point of the first post and the video. The video is not about
a) showing how perfect AI is now (because it certainly is not, as you point out)
b) a commercial for Porsche

It’s not a commercial at all. It’s a spoof commercial with story telling; perhaps a bit like this:

The point is really the “making of” right after, where every single shot, every camera, every dolly, every lama, every house and every person is AI generated.

And it’s done by a guy in his bedroom within 3 weeks of playing around with a publicly accessible AI video software, and without much effort in weeding out the worst AI weirdness and other (blatant) inconsistencies.

So, the point is not about whether it’s fake, it’s about how something entirely made in a computer by an “amateur” will soon be close to indistinguishable from “real” and what that means in terms of how easy and ubiquitous it will be to spread misinformation.

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