Modes: why you might need them and why you probably don't

Yeah you’re gonna want the blues scale there :slight_smile:

Right. They (and the Blues scale) are not modes of the major scale at all.

Yeah. I would ignore these modes as long as possible, and maybe forever. This is very much a “learn it when you need it and not before” thing IMO.

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Just being curious about it (and most stuff) is my motivation when asking for modes. Well, also, as this is a little reminder - whenever i ask something and i get the answer “you don’t really need that” - my brain is hardwired to think “well, but maybe i do - or can at least use it - want to use it - !give it !naow!”. The “that doesn’t have to bother you yet”-approach here really was nice and working until i got triggered somewhere out there in the mean mean internet… coughs
Anyway, fun stuff to know. It might be debatable if one ‘needs’ ‘fun stuff’. I kinda do, i think. It might also be debatable what ‘fun’ is, and what is not ‘fun’ at all. coughs again
Thanks for the video!

Playing modes in every key (through the Circle of Fourths) is a fantastic finger/brain workout.

Practicing modes builds great fret hand dexterity all over the neck.

But beyond the physical benefits of that, calling out each mode name before playing it, and each note name as it is played, really reinforces memorizing where chord tones are located on the fretboard.

Does every player “need” to do this? No.

But for anyone who loves a challenge that builds stamina, soloing chops, and playing facility, practicing modes in all keys really pays dividends.

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If you want to be efficient with your learning then my recommendation to people is always “use it to learn it, don’t learn it to use it”. Otherwise, you’re going to waste a lot of time doing unproductive things where your time and energy could be better used elsewhere.

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Agree. There is really no reason to memorize any modes until you need them. You’ll know when you do, just learn them then, it’s not difficult.

There’s enough to learn and master without going deep on things that have very specific usage.

Unless you’re playing jazz, then IDK, just play some notes or something then use modes later to rationalize what you did :rofl:

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Again, no one needs to mess with modes to play basic bass.

But they definitely do have real uses, regardless of who knows them, or not.

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Absolutely useful - when they are needed. Which definitely happens, but less than you would think based on the coverage online, for most genres anyway.

there is also a slight difference between just learning about modes and actually learning the modes :'D

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That’s for sure. :+1:

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Yes. You should learn about them and what they are, and are usually used for.

But the latter, learning the fingerings - that you can save until you need them, as the interval fingerings are all simple changes to Ionian and Aeolian. Which means (frankly) both that there are some you will likely never need to learn, and the rest will take you like five minutes when you need them.

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I think the modes are fun to learn, especially the ones we don’t use in our western style of music, like the Hirajoshi or Egyptian ones. Learning them also helped to break my minor pentatonic reversion habit, and helped with ear training.

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I’ve got some extra time with a guitarist buddy who gives me some theory here and there- are there any particular modes worth knowing for a bassist? Or am I wasting my time?

It’s useful to know about them, why one might use them, how they relate to the major/minor scales, what they sound like and the “formulas” for them. Some are probably more useful than others like dorian and mixolydian.

Here are some good videos you might find useful:

Rick Beato has a couple of good videos on understanding modes. https://youtu.be/juQVAFsdFMQ?si=R_xUed6qRyIIk0EJ

David Bennett has a bunch of good stuff on his channel

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I use modes all the time for crafting bass lines.

I’m here to bring back a year old post to argue for single origin coffee :rofl:. Although my first argument is that it’s less a matter of better and more a matter of more unique/interesting.

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I went down the single origin path for a while until I realized that I simply liked blends much more :rofl:

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Same. I like my coffee to taste like coffee, not blueberries. I guess this makes me a second wave coffee enthusiast rather than the current third wave?

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Yup I bet really excited when my coffee tastes like blueberries. I’ll throw my hipster bait opinion in here too. Well executed 3 gallon drip coffee shop coffee is better than well executed pour overs, as long as the coffee shop turns it over fast enough.

I am the world’s biggest fan of drip. Sure, Chemex/pourover are good, but there is something just awesome about a big old drip brewer, especially if it is only rinsed and never washed. Gotta get that delicious buildup of oils on the inside to keep it real.

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Just found this thread, couple thoughts…

I’ve tried cat poop coffee. It’s okay, not great. Mocha Java is the first, and best blend imo. I like some single origin coffee (big fan of Thai beans lately) but you’re right, it’s overrated for the most part. Can’t go down the drip coffee thing with ya’ll. I love my Aeropress. I’ve got one of the valves that stops it from pouring through so I can give it 3 min to bloom.

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