Not to forget Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, Neon Judgement, Cabarat Voltaire, Tuxedo Moon and the other wonderful stuff!
It will never not crack me up that Gretton made Wilson sign the contract in blood 
Itâs really tough to call out which is the better portrayal. Control gets bonus points because they all look just like the real life counterparts (24HPP is much farther from reality) and also the actors actually played and sang the songs live - thats really them.
24HPP gets bonus points because its so damn funny.
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Funny beats anything else every time!
Great video clip by the way.
But admit it: a movie that mentions the great philosopher Kant so very often cannot be sh#te! 
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Yeah they are both high in Kant quotient.
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I donât think the movements are smaller. I think the musical landscape is bigger. They have more total people as part of them, but more spread out and taking up a smaller proportion of the total music out there.
Taylor Swift is the biggest pop star ever. She has more fans than any other musician in history. Madonna at her peak had a fraction of the fanbase. But she took up such a big proportion of the popular music landscape that nearly everyone knew a couple of her songs.
Baby Metal is kind of a niche band. They have over 3 million listeners every month on Spotify.
Genre and subculture didnât just define what you listened to. They also defined what you didnât listen to. I think kids these days have broader musical tastes than most of us did in the past.
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Also, she ist the 8th best guitarist of the last two decades!
I donât put stock in those sort of opinion polls generally.
However⌠it makes a good point that she is putting the 6-string guitar front and center in front of a massive number of fans of all ages who look up to her.
Also, her music is a really good inspiration for starting players. Relatively simple chords, but lots of chord changes. And sheâs writing all her own songs.
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Hmmmmm!?
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Humorous personal anecdote about sub-cultures and genre music frequently sucking.
Back in the early 2000âs, I was a big swing dancer. Very active and danced to lots of live bands in Northern California (Sacramento and Bay Area).
My favorite regional swing band was Lee Press-On and the Nails. Their shtick is that they were the Goth Swing band. Their logo was âLPNâ with a backwards N in basically a NIN font. They played lots of stuff from or heavily inspired by the 1930âs (which was pretty dark for popular music).
The way the band formed was the the lead guy, Leland Pressley (aka âLee Press-Onâ) was hanging out in a Goth/Industrial club in the late 90âs listening to Goth/Industrial music.
He had the realization, âThis music kinda sucks.â And so decided to form a band that kept the goth aesthetic, but was making good music.
Their final concert was badass and culminated in what I have dubbed âthe goth swing polka mosh pitâ.
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Thatâs awesome. All I can say is that I am sure the goths have some choice stories about this guy before he rode off into the moonlight to follow his Polka Muse.
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This was one of the very first non-religious, non-classical songs I was exposed to, via a box full of 78âs in those book-bound sleeves of 10" mono disks.
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Beato!
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Oh manâŚ
I donât like Beato, Swift or the Beatles, but what a perfect take.
I love really well produced music but not over produced music. TS is a brand not a band. I wish the producers would get the credit they deserve. But should people get credit for earworms? 
Again Iâm not a Beatles fan but like Beato said at least it was their own original art.
Anyway Iâm trying to get away from being negative about other peopleâs art. My point is just that this video is a great explanation of whatâs wrong with modern pop.
This kind of music is what AI will be replacing. Support live music and local bands.
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You are basically saying the same thing I said except the first sentence, which I donât agree with as the movements are smaller in worldwide consciousness sense
Your replies are thoughful but you keep coming back to examples of individual artists and success of performers or bands, but my points relate to the lack of new genre creation rather than saying music is no good now, so I think we are quite close in view but are talking across each other, so I might leave it there for now
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Ok, but Iâm very into the metalcore turn recently.
Yeah and she keeps getting harder and harder at it too. Iâm waiting for her rugpull there.
The funny thing is I didnât mean punk stylistically. I meant the punk ethos. Sheâs got a punk side in close to the same way Devo did and Polysics does now.
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To bubblegum pop? I get the vibe that the harder stuff is more authentically her and some past stuff she was pushed into, but I would only be a little bit surprised.
I saw Spiritbox last night, theyâre fucking incredible and a new band that doesnât neatly fit genres. Dying Wish killed it opening too. There werenât that many kids there, but plenty of great new music is around.
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Sheâs already done that veer (sometimes in the same song!) so I am looking forward to how she shakes things up. Maybe post-hardcore of the screaming variety.
Oh absolutely
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Oh I think sheâs basically there and didnât read rugpull as heading that direction. I look at the Knocked Loose collab as the direction sheâs most likely headed. Sheâs obviously super versatile though, so I wouldnât be shocked by any direction!
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