Music Theory

Thanks for bumping the thread, @JDDaniel and for the video share! Yeah, there are some gems in the old forum chats, but, I also like coming back here every now and then and reading the new stuff too. Good wisdom, good laughs, this Forum is one of the best out there, and, it keeps my bass from gathering too much dust when I take breaks, lol.

I think we started this thread when there was no separate Music Theory area, and wondered if any theory nerds would show up, then, discovered that a lot of us actually liked theory. But maybe didn’t completely understand it :rofl: (and still don’t, but always fun to pick up some tidbits along the way)

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Those “Good ‘Ol Days!” @Vik

Keep on Thumpin’! Bro!!!
Lanny

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Yep! Was thinking something simpler though - those are super elaborate. Still, not a bad idea. It’s not like I am shy about buying plugins :slight_smile:

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You should check them out some time, I think Scaler is a bit better for theory, it gives you so many different ways that you can explore music. https://youtu.be/2pNT0rIolmI Captain chords is a lot of fun for composing music though it’s aimed a bit more towards the EDM genre. The biggest problem i have with them is i can spend hours “playing” with them, but it’s never wasted :slight_smile: Scaler has a trial version and some good YT videos, can’t recall if captain has a trial version.

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I’ve often wished I could find something like this as well. I’ve only anecdotally collected ideas as they come up. I think a good place to look is to reverse engineer film scoring since it’s so iconic. Find the triumphant music and see what they did. I had a teacher point out that a lot of tear jerkers will go between the 6 and the 5, beck and forth and back and forth hanging out and changing intensity until finally the 5 drops to the 4 for the crying. I like watching videos like the one where Rick Beato dissects the pattern that makes every John Williams score sound like John Williams. Sure enough, follow that formula and you can play anything you want and get the mood of Indiana Jones or Star Wars.

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I found interesting, that emotion - chords association we are use to, is completely a western thing (fruit of years of influence). I read somewhere that It’s common to do happy songs with minor scales (and others we would often associate with a sad emotion) in India, for instance. Also curiously, some classical composers make use of minor tonalities to produce happy tones.

Sorry for no hard data, I’ll try and back this up when I get home.

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This is very interesting! I studied some theater sound design when I was at university. One of the assignments was to play a series of pieces: Love, Anger, Fear, Joy and Confusion using only one aspect of composition at a time. For example, use only rhythm or use only melody.

The rest of the class would listen to the compositions and then assign which they thought was which.

When listening to one composition in isolation it was nearly impossible to correctly identify, the best was to narrow it down to a set of similars if it was obvious enough. After hearing all 5 compositions and knowing the categories to be used, however, it was almost always possible to classify them relative to each other. It required relative contextual reference to make a communication.

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If you check out the plugin Scaler2, it has scales and chord progressions by style/feel and song style so you could choose cinematic horror and one of them is A Ukrainian Dorian.

Cinematic Trumph gives you an A minor chord progression:
Am9, Em7, F maj7, Dm9, G 6(sus2)/E, G 9 13, Am7, G maj/B (i, v, VI, iv, VII, VII, i, VII)

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yeah, I’m probably going to buy Scaler2. I was not looking for this in a plugin and didn’t see much use for its analysis features but I realized that’s kind of dumb as I probably would someday :slight_smile:

It has a really nice UI and looks like a solid choice.

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Just threw it in my PB wishlist to wait for a sale.

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Not sure if this was listed here before or not (this thread or on the forum), but I just saw the link at BassEducation.com.

https://viva.pressbooks.pub/openmusictheory/

Open source, FREE - very thorough Music Theory online book

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Every month or so my FB feed is full of plugin sales and I dont need more right now lol, i have a bunch of stuff i’ve never even tried yet because it was on sale and i’ll need it Soon™ :smiley:

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Yeah I have a bunch of stuff I got in PB bundles I haven’t used that I bought because it was the cheapest way to get something else :slight_smile:

Or their freebies. PluginBoutique is a wonderful place once you figure out their schtick. A great way to get a lot of top notch plugins cheap or free.

Some I got that way have been super useful too.

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https://www.hooktheory.com/hookpad has some good stuff too.

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