Playing small gigs/bars etc... What do I need?

Hi bassbuzz family!

So I’m happy to share that I’m in my first band and we’re looking to playing in bars and small venues.

Most places (Vancouver) tend to have some cabs but having a bass head or combo amp seems to be inconsistent.

I’m trying to build something portable that I can be as self-sufficient as possible.

Only thing I’ve somewhat setteld on is getting the new Pod Bass Express pedal as it checks a lot of boxes for portability.

I’m wondering if I should get my own bass head or go with a combo amp.

Is there a good rule of thumb as to how much wattage I’d need?

Open to suggestions and hopefully not break the bank (sub 1k dollars)!

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Gig rigs need to be tough and durable. I’d go with Katana 110. It has just about anything you want on a gig and even optional Bluetooth for I thing $70 for the dongle. Proven reliability and durability with awesome neutral-ish tone that can mix well in many genres. Get a used one for $300400.

My top choice would be Genzler 10-2 Array combo. It’s good for anything small to hockey rink. If and when you need to expand just buy the extra cab and stack it. You can stack it up to 3 cabs. I tried 3 cabs on a big gig before, and it was an over killed. The only down side is that the single cab combo is just right outside your budget. You can find used one of course. I put my second set together for less than $900.

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A Fender Rumble 500 or an Ampeg Rocket Bass 210 are both 500 watts with two 10" speakers and are well within your price range.

When dealing with a place that already has an amp or PA system, you could supplement with a preamp pedal that has has a DI for the PA or go in to to the effects return on a provided amp. Doing it this way would help you keep a consistent sound regardless of what equipment you end up having to work with.

If you like the Ampeg sound, the SGT-DI preamp pedal is very well regarded and offers a lot of versatility for connectivity.

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If 1K is the budget, you could do an Ampeg RB-210 and an SGT-DI (if you look for a 2nd hand RB) for that. The benefit there is that they use the same preamp, so you’ll get close to the same sound from both. That way if the gig requires one, the other, or both, you’re covered. I’ve got both but I also love the Ampeg sound.

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Thanks all!

Definitely a fan of Ampeg so I think this makes a lot of sense.

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If I’m understanding this properly (total noob in this) the DI pedal will substitute the use of the amp while retaining the sound I’m going for?

That would plug into their PA etc?

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Precisely. For gigs that have an in house PA, that DI is all you need to carry with you (besides your bass and whatever other pedals you might have). Because they both use the same preamp, you should get mostly the same sound from your bass. The SGT has a few other modelling options that the on amp one doesn’t, like sims to emulate the Ampeg SGT (the one that the RB uses) or BA amps, and can emulate 1X15, 4X10, or 8X10 cabs. The 210 is about 40 lbs (18KG) which is not a lot more than the Fender Rumble 500. If you end up taking a cab, it should fit either in the trunk or in the back seat with you and a bass.

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And provide monitors (or you bring a mixer and in-ears etc)

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Ok perfect.

Been doing a lot of digging into this topic because I didn’t think I’d be in this position so fast.

I’ve always accepted the advice to play with other musicians asap to improve and even though I put myself out there, it all happened quickly lol

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In the same boat. Appreciate this post!

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For clarification, the Zoom pedals work as an amp/DI don’t they?

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I’m curious about this as well.

The POD Express Bass pedal would work as a DI no?

I’m also open to a SansAmp etc

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The Pod acts as a DAI (Digital Audio Interface) for connecting to a computer.

A DI is a balanced connection for long cable runs. It looks like a round hole with three prongs in it.

@Gloucestre the Zoom will act as a preamp and can model a bunch of different amplifiers. It doesn’t have a DI connection. Some models have a built in DAI, some don’t.

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My gig rig include the radial engineering JDI and lately I’ve been putting my Wampler Cory Wong in my bag as well.

In general if bass is an engine then the DI are the tires. Get good ones and it would provide you with great traction.

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I’m going to speak in large generalities to try and give an overview of where to start with all this. All of this can go about as deep as you want to research but you have to start somewhere. Let me know if you want me to expand on anything. Also, I’m not advocating for any particular gear. Anything I mention is just an example.

1. What base sound do you want?

Just like you will prefer the sound of a P bass, J bass, or humbuckers, or whatever, you’ll also have a preferred amp sound.

The big three are Ampeg, Fender, or Clean. There are others: Aguilar, Orange, Darkglass, Galien Kruger, Hartke, etc. Most are some variation of the big three. What makes them different is the “baked in” EQ that gives each one its signature sound.

The “clean” option has a neutral sound with no baked in EQ. What comes out of your bass is what comes out of the amp.

For instance, an Ampeg always sounds like an Ampeg. Even though you can adjust the on-board EQ knobs, it will still sound like an Ampeg because of that starting “baked in” EQ. There’s nothing wrong with this, especially if you love the Ampeg sound, but it is important to know what you’re working with and what its capabilities are. Just like how a P Bass is always going to sound like a P Bass.

From a different perspective, the Aguilar Tone Hammer preamp pedal can do a very convincing Ampeg sound with the AGS button engaged. Without the AGS, it acts like a “clean” preamp as I described above.

2. What features do you want?

EQ options (i.e., parametric mid controls), High/Low Pass Filters, Aux In, Headphone Out, DI Out, Effects Loop, DAI, foot switchable EQ options, mute, bypass, Speaker Sim, etc.

For instance…
I need Aux In, Headphone Out, DI Out.
I want expanded EQ control, and High/Low Pass Filters.
I don’t want a DAI built in. I like that separate.

3. Do you need an amplifier?

If you’re playing with other people, I say yes. Different practice situations, small gigs where you bring your own gear. There are lots of reasons you’ll want your own amp. Part of it is being able to say, I’m here, I’m ready, and my equipment is ready to go.

The alternative to this, is if somebody in the band already has a PA system that you just need to connect to using a DI. If this is the case, you can use a preamp pedal with a DI connection (this is where the Ampeg SGT-DI suggestion came from), or you can get a stand-alone DI box, like the Radial JDI @Al1885 showed in the picture above.

4. How much power do you need?

If you do go with getting your own bass amp, 350-500 watts is a good place to be. I usually recommend 500 watts because they’ve become some prevalent it’s usually a better deal for your money. Not because you’re going to need that much. I guess it’s also about future proofing. You can always turn the amp down if you need to be quieter and if you need more than 500 watts the place will have a PA.

If I remember correctly, this was a few years ago, you can rent 2,000 watts of PA, for the weekend, for $200.

5. What about PreAmp pedals?
The traditional amplifier is made up of three parts; Pre Amp, Power Amp, Speaker Cabinet.

A preamp pedal is the Pre Amp part in a pedal format. This is a pretty big deal because it means you can easily carry your sound with you to any gig you might have.

I’m pretty sure every bass amp produced in the last 30 years has an effects loop. This means you can show up to any place that’s providing equipment, plug your preamp into the effects return, adjust EQ for the speakers and room, and you have your sound ready to go.

The reason this works is since you’re plugging into the effects return, you’re skipping the built in pre amp and using your pre amp with power amp and speaker cabinet provided. This way you don’t have to figure out how to get your sound with different gear every time.

For example, let’s say you love the sound of your Ampeg but you show up to a venue that requires you to use the provided Fender Rumble 500 amp. If you have an Ampeg SGT-DI, you can plug it into the effects return, skipping the Rumble pre amp, and that Rumble will sound like your Ampeg.

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Great post @eric.kiser

I and a few other members Prefer neutral amp, I’m in the Genzler camp which has no signature tone, your amp will sound like your bass. Others like @booker_t he’s in the Bergantino Camp with CaveMan audio Compressor so it’s super clean tone, I’d like to play with that setup soon. From my experience if you are doing covers and cover many genres the purer the tone from your amp the better it showcase your bass(es). I’m now like to bring a few basses to my regular private gig, it’s fun to show off the different bass tones from different basses.

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Isn’t the Providence Dual Bass Station supposed to be really clean too?

I really like the foot switchable EQ and the other footswitch that can be set for either bypass or mute. That was some nice design.

Edit: It was the Providence Brick Drive that has the bypass/mute option.

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Yes absolutely, super clean and with long cables it can also accommodate the power drop as well. Very impressive preamp. The Mid sweep is very pronounced when you use it, very similar to Nathan East Magic box, just 2 channels. I bought the Final boost first and was really impressed with the signal so I bought the Dual Bass Station.

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This is a fantastic resource.

Thank you sincerely for taking the time to explain and share all this.

I’ll be reading this a few times to ingrain it lol

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My pleasure. I love talking about how all the pieces fit together.

I know I just dumped a ton of information. If you need any clarification or have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask. We’re all still leaning and if you have a question, there’s a good chance somebody else has that same question too.

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