Hah yes, that’s a fair and valid statement, but also it’s important to recognize both the objective and subjective qualities of categorizing art forms like music. Or, as the courts told Larry Flynt, “I’ll know it when I see it.”
Do you think that, when presented with New Dawn Fades, a majority would agree that it’s pop?
From that Wiki page, Joy Division was based on early UK punk bands which at the time, were the antithesis of popular culture and pop music. That was a major part of that scene. They also were not a popular band by the time that Ian Curtis committed suicide. They had a cult following and had a bigger impact for inspiring the generations of musicians that came after them.
I just got home from picking up my BB300. It’s dreamy.
Yes, I would 100% agree. But in science it is not about what we agree to. It’s about strictly defined premises and conclusions from that.
So it’s not about your or my opnions, eg I would also agree that our world is based on causality - but then came Werner Heisenberg and said “probalbly not” 
Cool! After 1983 , the 80s music went slowly downhill, I agree! In my opinion, I would say it peeked again around the mid 90s, at least for electronic music.
I ask myself, what the results of that analysis would be now. Hiphop using the same patterns and samples over and over again,and “pop” music feeling quite algorithmic
The Fools, a band out of Boston, first did this in the 80s with a song Life Sucks and then you Die. They added a verses so hard to find the final copy.
Just gonna leave an example of one of the biggest bands in the world painting a picture with 3 verses over 25 minutes.
Overhead the albatross
Hangs motionless upon the air
And deep beneath the rolling waves
In labyrinths of coral caves
The echo of a distant time
Comes willowing across the sand
And everything is green and submarine
And no one showed us to the land
And no one knows the wheres or whys
But something stirs and something tries
And starts to climb towards the light
Strangers passing in the street
By chance two separate glances meet
And I am you and what I see is me
And do I take you by the hand?
And lead you through the land?
And help me understand the best I can?
And no one calls us to move on
And no one forces down our eyes
And no one speaks and no one tries
And no one flies around the sun
Cloudless everyday you fall
Upon my waking eyes
Inviting and inciting me to rise
And through the window in the wall
Come streaming in on sunlight wings
A million bright ambassadors of morning
And no one sings me lullabies
And no one makes me close my eyes
And so I throw the windows wide
Callin’ you across the sky
Todays lyrics for that song would be:
Swipe me
Like me
I will unbox youuuuuuhooooo
(Repeat)
OK, but consider this lyric from the same era as that Pink Floyd song that was much more popular with constant radio play:
Yummy, Yummy, Yummy
I got love in my tummy
And I feel like a-loving you
Dumb lyrics have always been with us — and usually in more popular songs. It’s easy to cherry pick songs to “prove” how much worse everything is today. But there is plenty of great music, and great lyrics if that’s your metric, today. I’d rather celebrate what’s good than bemoan what’s not so good.
Yeah, but New Order wrote that song in the phase where did not know , if they wanted to be New Wave or Disco Pop .-)
New Order is fantastic but yeah, Barney’s lyrics can be… well, not that bad, but pretty bad.
There’s more good music being made today, right now, than at any other point in history. You just need to look in different places to find it, and people are lazy.
The democratization of music production via cheap availability of recording software and hardware has been a wonderful thing. Even hugely popular acts have recorded albums with GarageBand 
I did not find anything rella new & good for quite some time now.
What’s the Top 3 of new music you would advise?
What type of music? IIRC you liked early EBM and electroindustrial, kind of the lighter weight stuff like Front 242 or maybe Nitzer Ebb? One good place for tips for that would be Yami Spechie’s youtube channel.
Synths in particular have seen a super renaissance. I’ve been posting a few examples in the “What are you listening to now?” thread; frankly I spend most of my music time on synths rather than bass these days (still love bass just as much though, don’t worry )
Actually I’m looking for a new music style.
I want to have the same feeling that I had, when New Wave started. Or EBM. Or Industrial. Or Acid. Or Goa. Or Electro…
I would like something totally new, not a renaissance!
In that case I would recommend post-rock, post-metal and post-hardcore.
Check out WherepostRockDwells:
Pelagic Records is great for post-rock too. Deathwish Records for post-hardcore.
(based on your preferences I do not think you will especially like post-hardcore, FWIW, but it is definitely where there’s a lot of innovation going on)
Here’s a really good example:
Also, Sargent House (their label) is another great spot for post-metal and post-rock.
That song has quite interesting lyrics too
I fell for some
Pseudo-sophisticated
Poet laureate-posing
Young white savior
He sang to me
A blue collar emulation
An accent so affected
So midwestern…
The album that is from, Ultrapop, is fantastic; guests on it include Mark Lanegan and Kurt Ballou. It might be one of the last things Lanegan worked on before he died.
LOVE Mark Lanegan. In fact I play about 60% songs of Mark Lanegan, in one of his many disguises now.adays.
But: The Armed is not part of any NEW music STYLE. I’m looking for something truly new and good, with an interesting subculture…
Interesting. I usually just look for good music and don’t worry about getting in on the ground floor of new trends
That’s not it - I’m simply tired of hearing the same sh#t over and over again. That is why Punk is dead. Techno is dead. Hiphop is dead. X (enter any style here) is dead.
And any new subculture has this wonderful feeling of “first love”…