josh thank you your a fuc$$$king amazzzzing teacher
I think the Minor Scale is equally as amazing.
The more you dive into the myriad of different scales, the more amazed you will be.
Sounds like someone had an âAh Hahâ moment
I think theyâre the same scale starting in different places
Not quite. Different scales. Different patterns. They share some of the same notes, but they sound quite different. The major scale is the âhappyâ scale and the minor scale is the âsadâ scale.
No, the (natural) minor scale (aka the Aeolian mode) is the major scale starting on the 6th note ie the relative minor scale of C major is A minor. How you hear it all depends on context.
Yes itâs true the minor scale starts on the sixth degree of itâs relative Major, but you fail to mention it also has a flattened 3rd, 6th, and 7th degree. This is true regardless of the key. Itâs those flattened tones that give it itâs dark personality, not the degree upon which it starts.
Theyâre only flattened if you change a C major scale into a C minor scale, not if you start on the 6th degree. If you change a major scale to itâs relative minor eg C major â A minor, theyâre the exact same notes ie all the white keys on a piano. This is true of all the relative scales/modes of a major scale ie C Ionian, D dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian⌠all the same notes (white keys), starting in a different place of the major scale.
So if you wanted to play a C minor scale and you didnât remember (or care) which notes to flatten, you could use the E major scale pattern starting on the C.
The minor scale ALWAYS has a flattened 3rd, 6th, and 7th. You can throw in all the modes etc. but the fact remains the minor scale has a flattened 3rd, 6th and 7th.
The technique you suggested is fine if thatâs what you want to do, but never lose sight of the fact that a minor scale has a flattened 3rd, 6th and 7th.
Hereâs the A Major scale:
A B C# D E F# G#
and the A minor scale:
A B C D E F G
Notice the C#, F#, and G# are flattened to become naturals.
Hereâs the C Major scale:
C D E F G A B
Hereâs the C minor scale:
C D Eb F G Ab Bb
This is the way it is, no matter how you approach it from a playing standpoint, the fact remains; in the minor scales the 3rd, 6th, and 7th are flattened. Thereâs no point in us debating, it is what it is.
Theyâre only flattened in relation to the parallel major scale. Otherwise the minor scale is just T, ST, T, T, ST, T, T whereas the major is T, T, ST, T, T, T, ST donât lose sight of that by applying a formula.
You are characterizing the minor scale by applying accidentals to the parallel major scale; I could also characterize the major scale in terms of the minor scale if i wanted to. Iâm just saying theyâre all the same scale⌠When playing basslines itâs often good to not start on the root note of a chord, so if you donât start on the root note where are you? Thatâs the reason that people have trouble using modes without ending up back in the major scale. Itâs all about context.
Okay you win. Iâm done. Iâm going to be asking for a refund for all those music theory courses that steered me wrong.
Conversation over.
Yessss pam i agreeeee 100%
i think all the scales are amazinnnnng and i agree with you aswell JT
Yeah, thatâs a good and expansive way to look at it. The major, its relative minor, and all itâs other modes live in the same space. You donât need to resolve or map it back to major, itâs just a convenient way to think of it. And you can equally well iterate the scale degrees of the minor scale to the same effect, where Ionian would be the third scale degree/mode of the natural minor scale.
But this is a little advanced and as a mental model using the major scale as a base is convenient.
In the end youâre absolutely right though. All that matters are the intervals.
Well, youâre both right. Itâs a matter of abstraction and perspective.
Pax Romana
Then of course we have the Major and Minor Pentatonic scales plus donât forget the Blues scales.
This is the stuff that scares beginners eh
To beginners, or anyone else reading this that is confused, please note that you do not need to worry about any of this for the B2B course.
@Josh explains music theory in the course as he feels you need to know it.
I am a member of the Blues Guitar Unleashed website and can recommend the âGuitar Theory Made Usefulâ course located there. It is taught in the same manner that @josh uses.
I could not provide a link to the course because of an issue with graphics but if interested just do a Google search for Blues Guitar Unleashed and go the Specialized Course section in the Course menu.
So true. All that matters is âdoes it sound goodâ. Everything else is just a framework to help talk about it, and a shorthand to help get there.
To me theory has always been a necessary subject that has to be mentioned at some point in learning to play an instrument but some instructors seem like they are hell bent on trying to impress people with their knowledge when in fact they are actually just overwhelming students and just putting them off from continuing.
This is the main reason I will always promote B2B for beginners wanting to learn Bass.
Slow and easy wins the race.
Agree completely. the point should be to make things easier, not more complex. One sign of true understanding is the ability to use it in reducing complexity, not celebrating it