The Reason People Don’t Get Better at Bass

I feel like I’ve been making tons of progress on my bass journey. This is because I figured out what was preventing me from making progress on my guitar journey(s) over the years and fixed it:

  1. Not learning any music theory (just memorizing chords and using tabs)
  2. Not having a structured practice routine
  3. Not being patient (being unwilling to literally repeat something 1000’s of times until it’s mastered)

My goals now are to learn and understand music, and to do that with a bass. When I was younger I just wanted to play the latest cool song.

I think it’s a little easier now with such incredible online resources for learning (B2B, Talkingbass, SBL). When I was young it was just some guy down the street giving me guitar lessons.

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I second this.

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There are many reason why someone is not good at bass, and it could be many silly things, but if someone is not improving it’s usually just one thing. Self imposed limitations. The usual no time, and it’s too difficult been there done that.

I have to learn 21 new songs for my upcoming gig, it’s much shorter time than I usually get to learn new songs. I removed all barriers and put as much time on the task. Even when I’m not touching a bass I’m learning by listening and committing music to my brain while playing along with my signature “air bass fingers”, :rofl: I’ve got it done in 2 weeks with this week putting it all together in a random order ready for rehearsal and final setlist.

I would assume that after the gig per usual I’d forget most of what I accomplished these last couple of weeks and back to my normal self complaining about how I have no time to practice and songs are just too difficult, :joy:

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I think the answer lies somewhere in this thread and others of its type:

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Not knowing what to work on (and for how long) to get to a goal you that you aren’t sure about what your lacking. …. And time. lol.

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Couple of bad habits from being self taught until B2B - like not keeping my left hand flat as feasible, need to work some on left hand muting and lack of much music theory beforehand as well. That and more devoted time to practice., progress will continue with it.

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Nothing turns me off playing bass more than being forced to learn musical theory honestly.

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for me personally i would say its a lack of “investment.”

by that i mean all of the other things everyone else has mentioned already: time, space, money, clarity, practice, goals, etc…

…but i think really it comes down to investment: i love the bass, but i have not picked mine up and played in at least a year because my investment in it has changed, and while i love bass, other things have become more important, and therefore, i am more invested in these other things. my ability to give bass the bandwidth it deserves for me to get any good is just not there (right now — hopefully that changes).

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I have to agree. Investing in learning and improving anything requires prioritizing it.

I’m on record as saying that lack of time is my most limiting reason for not practicing regularly. That said, it’s actually more like lack of mental and physical bandwidth.

After working for hours on end, doing mental gymnastics and problem solving, I’m drained of energy. Even if I do manage to step into my music room, I don’t have much juice left in the tank to do much.

Unlike some, though, I love learning as much as I can involving music theory for bass. That more than anything else has radically improved my playing.

But everyone is different. Personally, I don’t care about learning cover tunes or being in a band. I care about how great songs and bass lines were made and why their musical vocabulary makes them unique, catchy and timeless.

To each his own.

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Who is forcing you?

Lack of it may be holding you back as well, but no one is making you do it.

In terms of advancement, you can get there in other ways too; learning some theory just makes it much easier and gives you a shortcut. I totally understand @terb ‘s comment above - theory gives you frameworks to help you understand what will work and what likely won’t. Skipping the theory means you need to figure all that out based on sound from the start and you skip the advantage of centuries of musicians figuring it out for you.

That’s a pretty steep ask to put on yourself.

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Too much adulting and too many adulting-related distractions. There just aren’t enough hours in the day, and sometimes, when there are enough hours in the day, I’m riddled with abject fatigue from all the adulting stuff.

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On the nosey!

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I have listened to music all my life, I understand music. I understand note progressions and chord progressions. If I ever do a cover, like My Girl, I will probably get it “wrong” because I play the bass line I hear, I don’t refer to tabs/score.

Playing a note that is off is like nails on a chalkboard to my ears, even a half tone off.

What I find convenient about theory is putting a name to things and being able to converse easily with others on it.

But reading music, that’s a mountain that would take years of dedicated study to overcome. Billie Jean was easy in comparison.

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Self doubt, and the repeated implantation of those doubts into the subconscious.

The subconscious mind is an amazing piece of neurology. One of the reasons that’s so is because it’s always there running all of your basic functions. Like 7-11, it’s open around the clock, even on holidays. Be glad for that. If it wasn’t you’d have to think your way through breathing and you would very shortly die.

Another thing that makes the subconscious interesting is that it believes everything programmed into it is 100% true and, thus programmed, it will work behind the scenes to make those truths a reality.

I have always been my own worst critic; no one tells me I’m not good enough or smart enough or handsome enough more than I do…not by a long shot. You probably know someone like that. You may be like that yourself.

I picked up the electric guitar in high school. I started high school in 1980, not long after Van Halen I came out and kicked rock guitar into hyperdrive. As a self-taught player, I would compare myself to Eddie, and Randy Rhodes, and all the other nimble-fingered axeslingers of the day and I would tell myself, with alarming regularity, that I wasn’t that good, that I would never be that good, that the learning curve in front of me resembled the face of Hoover Dam more than it did a curve, and many other creative phrases that in the end all boiled down to, “You suck, and you’re always gonna suck.” And I had plenty of confirmation in that from others who were, shall we say, less than fully supportive of my efforts.

At some point my subconscious, having heard the “You suck, dude” refrain often enough, said “Message received!” And since it 100% believed what I’d been telling it endlessly, it worked diligently to ensure that my reality matched my thinking. And that’s exactly what happened.

Unsurprisingly, I never really got all that good at guitar. Decent enough, mostly at rhythm guitar, but nowhere near where I wanted to be. Playing lead? Awww hell no. And it was my own fault, because I spent so much time programming myself (for lack of a better phrase) to not get better…so I didn’t. And it’s a very short walk from “I’m no good at this” to “Why even bother?” And “why bother?” is the beginning of the end.

As an aside, while the subconscious implements, the conscious rationalizes. A person’s conscious thoughts may tell them that they let something fall by the wayside because they were too busy, or too tired, or too much or too little of any other number of things. Believe me, I’ve told myself all of them and more. Those conscious rationalizations are half-truths at best. You’re busy, sure…but are you that busy? Not even fifteen minutes available? The subconscious knows what the game is.

One of the charms of the B2B course is that the student gets several early wins. Those are so, so critical. Not because the dopamine hit feels good, but because those wins get that student thinking, “I can do this! I am doing this!” When you hear Your Trusty Bass Teacher™ using phrases like, “You crushed this module!”, using other phrases of encouragement, and ensuring you that the difficulties you’re facing are the same ones he and other bassists faced and that they’re normal–and that you don’t suck because you have them–that just bolsters the “I can do it” mentality. The early playing wins, the little achievement badges, even the name “Beginner to Badass”…they’re all there to repeatedly put those “I’ve got this!” thoughts, literally, into your head.

Very few people give up on something they enjoy doing and think they’re good at. If feelings of joy and competence are there you put in time because you want to—you want to feel more joy and competence. Get enough of that and progress is a given. Conversely, plenty of people flounder or quit when they convince themselves that they’ll never be much good at something and that the road to getting better is impossibly long and arduous.

You are what your subconscious mind “eats.” Make sure you feed it plenty of encouragement on your musical journey, and watch how much further that journey takes you.

TL;DR: The reason people don’t get better at bass is because their conscious thoughts have programmed their subconscious ones to ensure that they don’t.

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This is something I struggle with as well. Not on guitar, but on bass. I just finished B2B a couple weeks ago. I first started playing the bass 4 months, 1 week, and 2 days ago.

I know just enough to be dangerous. I hear a song and go “I could probably play that.” I look up the tabs and go “yeah, not too difficult”. And then if I don’t mostly nail it at full speed on the first or second try, start wondering why I even bother with the instrument.

Of course, these songs weren’t birthed by their bands in one try with no practicing/workshopping. And even if they came together pretty easily for the band, the bass player had been playing longer than 4.5 months at that point. Logically, I know that, but I have a hard time getting myself to take that to heart.

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You got to put in the time. Learn easy songs at first so you stay motivated. Push yourself when you are ready. Use your ears. But mostly put in the time.

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I used to beat myself over the head, hard and often, with exactly the same thing. Exactly. Can’t play the intro to “Mean Street” after the second try? You suck.

It’s insidious. It’s also dead wrong. It’s tough to stop doing it—ask me how I know—but really the only bass player you need to compare yourself to is the one you were yesterday. Had I taken that attitude with the six-string who knows where I would have gotten.

Funny side story: I wasn’t a total basket case on the guitar, just a mostly-basket-case. Sometimes, on those days when I felt like I was, I would make a point of stopping by the Guitar Center either after high school classes let out, or on the weekends, when all the other hot shot guitar kids were there and I could watch and listen to them. Nearly every time I did that I came out of there thinking something along the lines of, “I may suck, but I don’t suck that much. Damn.”

The funniest part of that side story is that the kid who made me feel better—the one who was brash and confident and played it loud and proud in a store full of strangers even though it sounded like a gravel truck in reverse—he’s probably better now than I ever was, and that attitude was a big part of it.

Slow and steady wins the race, my friend. We’re mature enough to know that now. We’ll get there.

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Speaking of t-shirts…and with this exact sentiment.

AND the original logo is a lot cleaner and cooler. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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“slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.”

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I don’t think of reading music as being theory. Yes, there are the pitch and tempo basics like note names and types but those exist whether notated or not; notation is just a great representation if them.

Theory is more about how tones and intervals fit together (beyond scales and progressions, which are also theory); song structure and transitions; harmonization; more complex and higher level topics like that. There’s a lot there and most of us (myself included) only get the very basics initially, in courses like B2B.

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Maybe it’s an unpopular thing to say, but I’m still improving!

I love what the others have written here. My wish list would be to learn more songs, but that’s mostly about the (very occasional) band I’m in. There’s no reason to learn new songs, if my band doesn’t.

As for what helps me improving, at the moment it’s sight reading and transcribing / ear training.
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