Still wish I wasn’t talked out of a 5 and settled for a 4 when I started. Still feel that was a mistake on my part.
That’s the way to think of it. Keeping in mind, the G string is string 1, D is 2, A is 3, E is 4, and if you go to a 5 string, B is 5. It’s not the other way around.
Is this what you’re saying @John_E ? If so I concur.
Jaco only needed a 4.
Sorry couldn’t resist.
So very true. And other greats, too.
When I started thinking that way, the 5 string, and even the 6, got way easier
I agree, 4 string is the way to go unless you’re one of those people who’s going to play a genre that needs a 5 string.
I got my first 5 string about 5 months after doing the B2B course and I’d already I’d spent a lot of time working on muting so that was never a problem. I wanted to learn to play a 5 string in case I did any musical theatre stuff and it’s great for a lot of synth bass lines like Stevie Wonder pieces.
I’ve got 2, 5 string basses, a Sire M7 and an Ibanez Gary Willis GW35 fretless. I love them both, the B string is great on the Sire and I love the ramp on the GW35. but they’re specialist instruments to me and I only play them when a song requires them. I do really like the 16.5mm spacing on the GW35 though! I find it’s more challenging to go back to a fretted bass after playing fretless for a while than it is switching from 4 to 5 strings.
I play mostly jazz type stuff so my 4st pbass is what I play most of the time. I do most of my theory work on the 4 string now because when I was doing most of my modes, scales and work learning the fretboard on the 5st, it completely screwed me up going back to the 4st. I find it easier to go from the 4st to the 5st, adding a string than I do the other way around and removing a string.
I don’t like slapping on a 5 string, I don’t slap a lot but I do have a 4st squire jbass for that. I like open strings and playing down the neck and I really don’t like the sound of the B string up past the 5th or 7th fret so I rarely take advantage of playing across the neck on a 5st instead of down.
I think one should just play whatever inspires them as long as they know that maybe it’s not the most practical thing and they might have to work harder at it.
I wonder if cello noobs are always asking “should I play a 5 string cello???”
Will have to say that Noob Josh made the video once again
For me personally, this video married all my beginner situations. I purchased a 5 string from a buddy that wanted to dump the bass and focus on the guitar. I had no clue as to what the Flock Of Seagulls to do next and camped out on YT videos. Obviously, this is how I discovered Josh Man
When noodling around, never plugged in. Once I became comfortable enough to amplify my scale patterns, need I say more.
Having said all of this, I am so thankful I began with a 5 string. Why?? Because the first time I held a 4 string, insert birds singing and light rays shinning down, I instantly became comfortable and could simply play.
When I think back to that first day, wish I had seen this video. In my own opinion, as Josh Man so clearly pointed out, a 5 string is a beast and makes us second guess our own hand-eye coordination. Now, I so appreciate the simple mute application, the light weight feel, and those magical root fifth, and octave patterns.
Then, when I pick up the 5 string, that deep C and D feels so dang good. Talk about feeling a good vibration. Take care all and come in on the boom!!
We Can All Do This,
Cheers
John Simon Ritchie?
The problem is, very few five strings I have heard have good timbre above the 5th-7th fret on the B string. Most sound really dull up higher than that. So yes, that works great in the money notes, but it’s still pretty limited, at least in my experience.
Mine has a pretty good B string and I still rarely prefer that sound from the upper frets If you need to go from upper frets to an F, there’s almost always a chance to play some notes lower down on another string before that to get you part way or even a slide. C on the B string is pretty common and I find that’s way more awkward to make than the jump to an F.
To me, playing a 5 string is like towing a trailer behind my car all the time: it might be useful but more often it’s just a lot of trouble I don’t need
thinking about the G string as your 'home base"
Wouldn’t that fall apart with the move to a 6 string?
If folks learned bass thinking about the G string as your 'home base" (no pun intended) vs. the E string, it might then make adding the 5th string easier then the 6th string (if ever) just follows the same path.
Only because it doesn’t really make sense; everything in music pretty much gets counted as going up (except guitar strings) and in no way is the G string my home base.
When going from 4 string to 5 string, I just think of the B as 1+4 and a 6 string is 1+4+1
Yep
When I started thinking that way, the 5 string, and even the 6, got way easier
…and then BEAD messes you up instead
The problem is, very few five strings I have heard have good timbre above the 5th-7th fret on the B string. Most sound really dull up higher than that.
Yes, timbre is something to be aware of, and it can be an issue. However, until it’s a landing tone, it is probably not a big deal. For me, a quick high octave-low octave jump between the 8th and 6th frets is much easier than the same between third and first frets (for my gnarly fingers)
By the way, singer dude is really giving you the stink eye, it seems, @JoshFossgreen - hilarious (when it happens to someone else)
By the way, singer dude is really giving you the stink eye, it seems, @JoshFossgreen - hilarious (when it happens to someone else)
I noticed that too! Not subtle and not cool. It breaks a cardinal rule of playing live - don’t react to mistakes, your own or others. Best advice I’ve ever had from a music teacher and one I’ve been on both sides of myself for sure.
You just shouldn’t do that, looks completely amateur hour when that happens.
Terrible karma too; what comes around goes around on that one
Wouldn’t that fall apart with the move to a 6 string?
Not necessarily as you already are now experienced with adding a string on the other side so should be more seamless.
Really jazzed to see this episode this morning. I remember myself and a few others asking about this topic in recent memory, and I for one am glad I was a solid year into (dedicated) practice before I got my 5-string. I mean, I had a little guitar background when I started bass and back then I would have figured “Aw, well, it’s just one more string.” and yeah, just a year later… no. It’s almost like having a different bass-adjacent instrument, I feel.
I don’t think we’ll ever shake the prevailing attitude of “B-strings are cruise control for cool”, especially in the metal-garage-band-with-your-buddies arena… but it’s important newcomers can find videos like this before they go in and end up not having as great a time with playing as they expected.
Really enjoyed it. And yeah, not ashamed to say I need to keep working on my muting – so thanks for the kick in the pants to do that, Josh.
ADDENDUM TO MY EARLIER COMMENT:
Josh mentioned one of the reasons to start off on a 5 string is if you have a burning desire to be a 5 string player. That was me!
Prior to making the decision to learn to play bass, I was inspired by the bassist in a local band. She’s a itty bitty gal who could tear it up on her 5 string. She was my idol and I knew I would want to be a fiver myself.
When i started B2B, it made perfect sense for me to learn on a 5 string since ultimately that’s what I would be playing. I don’t feel it handicapped me at all, but rather gave me an advantage.
My point is, if one suspects they may desire a 5 string in the future, they should learn on one like I did.
I noticed that too! Not subtle and not cool. It breaks a cardinal rule of playing live - don’t react to mistakes, your own or others. Best advice I’ve ever had from a music teacher and one I’ve been on both sides of myself for sure. You just shouldn’t do that, looks completely amateur hour when that happens. Terrible karma too; what comes around goes around on that on
At least he wasn’t “throwing tickets”