Apple sux

The funny thing is I don’t mind the closed ecosystem and as a developer find the app store cut to be completely reasonable compared against the services provided, which are a lot.

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completely agree - as a consumer i know that if i get an app on mac or phone it will almost always just work with no fuss. (other than adobe software but thats a whole other debate.)

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Eh. I always preferred BSD over System V anyway so I am fine with MacOS’ take on unix. I mean it’s basically a NeXT machine with a better UI than NeXTStep was.

I use linux daily as well and was primarily a unix developer for like 20 years; still prefer MacOS overall.

No way in hell I’d use any other OS. Everyone has different use cases and needs. MacOS does everything I need, with style and ease that keeps me productive. Again, mileage varies.

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It doesn’t just run OS 10. You have either bootcamp or parallel I’d get yourself a Mac mini M2 and see how it works.

I’m a baby user I barely crack the surface of it’s capabilities then again I love to keep as many tabs open as possible :joy: and the cover videos are not a light task especially for a noob like me who likes to skip the organization step and load everything.

Yeah, I work with dozens of highly specialized medical applications and they pretty much dictate the OS

BTW, old mac minis you no longer use? These make awesome headless servers (i.e. NAS or media home servers). Just throw linux on them and put them in a closet, hang an external drive off of them, and forget they are there. Bulletproof and never needs attention, works better than my actual NAS I currently own.

(or just leave it MacOS, works headless too, and even does fine with remote desktop).

I think that apple is to fault for today’s “flat design” ui catastrophe, and agree wholeheartedly with this article:

design in How Apple Is Giving Design A Bad Name.

“Apple simultaneously made a radical move toward visual simplicity and elegance at the expense of learnability, usability, and productivity.”
Don Norman and Bruce “Tog” Tognazzini

TO digress, I will say what sux are Pixel phones. I have a Waza Air and I cannot get the app to connect. Waza bluetooth connection? check, I see it, but not in the app. Considered getting an iPhone cause it might work

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Ditto!

Sandboxes, control environments, closed systems are my things as I don’t need to learn how to do anything just do it.

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link didn’t bring me to an article

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Link goes nowhere (top page of FC) but I can tell you up front it’s going to be a tough sell to back up a claim that Apple UI’s aren’t usable and productive :rofl:

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Fast company seems to have an issue!

Just google: how apple is giving design a bad name

It’s an old but still valid analysis by two UI gods!
"Don Norman and Bruce “Tog” Tognazzini each led projects in the early-1980s that resulted in their extracting and codifying the principles that underlay the then-new generation of user-centered visual design, as embodied in the Xerox Star, Apple Lisa, and Apple Macintosh computers, as well as the experimental systems that preceded them. "

EDIT I was in a podium discussion with Tognazzini about UI in the mid 90s.
He invented the trash can on the Mac desktop.
We had some hard but friendly discussions cause I was not a fan of the double function delete VS eject disk.
Otherwise he was a true genius! !!

EDIT2 click on https://www.fastcompany.com/user/Don-Norman-and-Bruce-tognazzini and then on “how apple is giving design a bad name” below…

Hmmm. My pixels have treated me well. My work phone is an iPhone and I like it less. Mostly the keyboard is worse, but also the calculator.

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This is true. I’d say 99% of the apps for engineering are window based. I spent a year looking for cad and cam software. There are quite a few Cad but no Cam and I ended up with the vectric aspire. It’s an awesome software but I’m not happy with it.

I like Shapr3d East to use but there’s no Cam app.

ok so i’m not done. i bought a beelink mini htpc with a ryzen 9 that basically is the same performance as an m2. with 32 gb of ram and 1 TB storage. if it was a mac mini, it would cost me roughly a trillion dollars. it was $600 bux.

If it wasn’t for apple design some PC would probably still be using floppy disc, or phone with antenna sticking up the top. It takes a real A-hole to say nope! I’m choosing aesthetic over function but in the end it works out. Now all phones looks like Apple iPhones

Say what you will about apple, I’ve not once feel like a thief using their products ever.
Window PC makes me feel like a thief all the time with their authentication, I have similar issue with Xbox.

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Please read the article. It is about UI design, and also a very good read. It (still) is an important article from arguably two of the best and most important experts in their field - the Leo Fenders of UI, if you will…

I still remember fondly reading the book “The Design of Everyday Things” by Don Norman, where he discusses the “UI design” of door knobs, among many other things :slight_smile:

I totally agree that Apple was and is innovation driver in many respects, though many Apple inventions are not Apple inventions at all when you dig deeper - even the iPhone. Steve Jobs might or might not have been many things, no doubt he was a marketing genius above all!
(I preferred “Woz” - Steve Wozniak - though).

In UI design I always choose “Form follows function”, but we do live in times where appearances are more important that content, you’re right!

Which is so sad. Companies make and invent stuffs and fail to deliver it to the market. Remember NFC? Many companies try to make it a thing and anticipate Apple to join in, Apple didn’t and NFC just died, well sort off.

There’s no need to dig. Apple didn’t invent smartphones. They just made them popular, same goes to iPod, they are not the first to introduce tablets but there no better tablets on the market right now. Retail store? It’s ridiculous how much Apple made per square footage.

It a minimalist industrial design that catch many eyes some people like it some don’t. I’ve read a few articles about apple design as much as they offer truth to it at the end of the day it’s almost like click bait, and sour grapes. Like it buy it don’t like it buy other stuffs. If other designs are better they can easily compete with Apple and take the market share. Like another industrial design company IKEA, some like them some hate them. I like some so I buy some.

I know you like Hipshots, I used to like them now I fricking hate them and what they do to their customers same goes to Darkglass. Effing hate both with passion. I just don’t spend money on them and when anyone ask I just suggest them to get something else better.

It was a good read by the way. I like Dieter Rams and his 10 principles. We spent almost a week studied his principles in our marketing class why not art class I couldn’t tell you, lol.

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Yes. Apple - especially Steve Jobs - knows/knew how to sell stuff, create a hype and also bring quality to industrial design!
Microsoft failed miserably too often, with hardware products especially. Those felt mostly “stuffy”…

I do not only remember NFC, it was one of the most imporftant "features " of one of my products that I created for the cruise ship business. Love NFC (and RFID)…

The minimalist industrial design (in their hardware) is what draws me to Apple too. My point is about software/UI design.
I had a Macbook 2009 for a long time. Loved it - cause I used it with Windows :slight_smile:
If I didn’t have a d@mn expensive Windows notebook already, I would get a M3/M4 Notebook (providing it runs Windows properly, also for Games/Video encoding etc…).

Well, good news: my new bass will not have the tuners I would like to have, and the peg holes (17mm) are too large for my existing Hipshot Extender (14mm). It’s almost cheaper to just get a 2nd bass for lower tunings, so that’s what I will do - my Ninja bass.
I am still using my Hipshot Extender almost daily on my Blackstar bass though, when I noodle through my this-might-be-a-cover playlist.

Yes, Rams designed awesome stuff. I thought about getting Braun stereo equipment many times in the 80s … but they just did not sound good…

For the younger ones: Dieter Rams design in the 70s/80s