Apple Vision Pro

Porn on VR is fun for about 5 mins :laughing: the biggest problem with any type of visual media on AR/VR is that it’s poorly produced and gains little from the technology. The only thing I’ve ever used VR for consistently was watching movies on a huge screen because i don’t own a TV :slight_smile: The video from the ISS was pretty cool though and several of the undersea documentaries.

For the last 30+ years I’ve been hearing how things are going to revolutionize computing… how things like pen computing and voice recognition are going to replace the keyboard and mouse but in most cases, a good keyboard is the fastest and most practical input device. When the MS hololens first came out we were talking at work about getting them for our trade show booths for people to have an immersive experience with our products but i haven’t heard any talk about that or the vision pro in quite a while. We have big TV screens, they’re much more practical for booth traffic than having to get someone to come over, put on a VR ā€œheadsetā€ and do some stuff with it.

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Weren’t we supposed to be ā€œpaperlessā€ by, oh, 20 yrs ago? :slight_smile:

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We’re paperless at my work because everything is set up to be able to work remotely from anywhere… but some people still insist on printing stuff out, then someone photocopies a print out and then another person scans it and it was digital in the first place :joy:. I used to print so much stuff at home in the 90s and now I print almost nothing. :slight_smile:

Several years ago I made fillable PDFs so people could just fill them out instead of printing them, filling them out and scanning them to send back, because a lot of people were out in the field and didn’t have access to a printer until they got back to the office. I made instructions so people who didn’t know how that worked could easily use them, even on their phones… almost nobody used them digitally :expressionless_face: lol

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Not now and not this version. Back to the first iPhone no one especially Steve Ballmer thought that iPhone was going to make it. 15 versions later we are yawning at some incredible tech and convenience that the smart phones bring because it’s everyday things now.

I remember when the first iPad was introduced I thought it was going nowhere who’d want to give up the laptop for a tablet. I have more iPads than jazz basses, :joy:

The Apple Vision Pro is not going to do what it’s was introduced to do but a whole lot more than we can envision right now. I would not count this one out just yet.

Like I said earlier Apple probably doesn’t want the mass to buy this one that’s why only something like 80k units were produced not millions and those units are probably taken.

Like everything else the mass don’t have to get into the first generation of anything but we will definitely get to enjoy the benefits of the trickle down economics. By the time you are ready for yours 3rd gen Vision it would have been bundle in like a phone that you won’t even feel the $2500 price tag, :joy:

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Smart phones and PDAs were already a thing when iPhone came out. The mass adoption of phones was driven by free or almost free phones for many years. Smart phones have a lot more bells and whistles now but the core functionality really has not change in at least 10 years. Microsoft had a great mobile OS, MS/Nokia made some great windows mobile phones but as usual, MS lost interest in that and abandoned it because it was too difficult to get app developers on board and any platform/hardware is only as good as it’s applications.

As for tablets, i rarely see people using them outside of work… now that you can get big phones and small laptops, tablets are significantly less useful. When the Macbook Air M1 came out I got one of those and it’s replaced my tablet for almost everything. The only thing i use my tablet for most of the time now is watching YT/movies in bed and sometimes for taking notes because it’s easier to find than a pen/paper lol.

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For work, and outside of work I use my iPad with goodnotes and apple pencil as my general purpose note pad for everything. I’ve got it all seperated into work / personal folders. I did all of my Azure certs note taking that way and it’s accesible from iCloud so I can get to it anywhere. The couple of times I’ve needed to share notes with my junior admins, I can just convert my handwriting to text and export to pdf and email them so they dont have to find a rosetta stone to decifer my handwriting. Big phones are still too small to take notes on like that imo, and small laptops don’t typically fold the right way to lay down and comfortably (even the Lenovo Thinkpad fold line) write on like a paper pad. I may be an exception to your point, but thats there if you want to use it that way and there are people that do.

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I do all that on my Galaxy 22 Ultra that fits in my pocket which is why I rarely use my tablet. :smiley:

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Very much this. I’ve seen several people walk around with them here in Seattle. They look like scuba divers without wet suits.

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According to insiders, the next version is supposed to look like this. It seems to be kind of a full body version??! :slight_smile:

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I’m guilty, but exclusively when I’m marking up drawings with symbols that don’t exist easily. If I want to add text, Adobe comments do that beautifully. If I want to add process piping and electrical symbols not so much lol.

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I’m starting to see posts on SoMe about people returning these thingies again… not enough porn I guess :crazy_face:

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We were using Bluebeam for that sort of stuff, unfortunately it’s pretty expensive. For a lot of things, I just use a tablet or create custom symbols/stamps. I love the pen on my S22U phone for marking up PDFs and photos, it’s so handy!

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Best use I’ve seen for these yet actually:

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That’s a pretty cool use case!

This ā€œimmersion into the editingā€ with RipX looks interesting too:

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Alicia Keys has a demo video. They recorded her singing in the studio with some other folks. She’s 2 feet away from you, singing next to the piano. It’s amazing…though I was quickly reminded that the stereo effect is left/right only. I stood up, to see over the piano so I could see the bass player’s hands…and it had no effect. But a little later in the video, they switch to a different camera in the room (you can see the cameras once you know what to look for) and then I could just turn 90 degrees and watch the bass player easily.

As I get older and less into battling traffic, and crowds, and Ticketmaster fees, I’m wondering how much I’d pay to just watch a full performance like this…and would definitely pay to watch spatial basketball games this way too.

Ultimate guitar tabs app crashes on the Vision Pro right now - but that’s something that will get fixed soon enough.

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Personally, that video failed to show me anything that couldn’t be done with any 2D DAW. ā€œNo more notesā€? Then what’s the point of any DAW?

I sure hope they can eventually get time travelling reporter back to his own time :smiley:

Part of that just comes down to understanding what RipX (the regular, non 3D version) does. This 30-second clip just shows extending that into 3D space, and admittedly doesn’t have a bunch of time to explain any of it in detail.

What they say is ā€œno more waveformsā€, and ā€œedit audio note by noteā€. There are definitely still notes! :slight_smile:

I primarily use it to separate a song I intend to cover into individual stems. Yes, there are online services that can do that. You can then visualize each instrument separately, remix it, export MIDI of it, etc. I like being able to zoom in on the bass stem, see what actual notes they are playing, visualize the slides and timing, etc.

There’s about 1000 more things that it can do, but I haven’t gotten into the weeds with it really. In 2D, it looks kinda like this:

Topically, what I was most interesting in here was how you would go about interacting with it in 3D space. IMHO, and fair enough if you think otherwise, the immersion factor is interesting enough that I’d like to explore the possibilities of it (and how it could be applied in other contexts as well).

So, are these still a thing??? Is anyone using them? Or know of anyone still using them??

If @Al1885 doesn’t own a pair, it’s probably dead hardware at this point :joy:

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I feel like it’s got a long way to go before it more broadly takes off, but I currently design XR for surgical use/preparation etc and that will include Vision Pro. So it has got some very useful applications, albeit more specialised.

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