That looks like something @joergkutter has written above. Are you sure it really exists? I understand from Elon Musk that I am not to believe Wikipedia anymore…
Challenge accepted!
That genius saved Wikipedias financing 
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THIS IS VERY HELPFULL SO THANKS !
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The PDF you recreated and the video on youtube (sync tab) are just what this patient needed <3 THANKS from your southern neighbor
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Thank you! If you need more - just tell me (in Dutch, so nobody gets it here ^^)
I was afraid of finally having to go to therapy, cause @howard and @joergkutter made me feel like my parents did, when I did something stupid. That was like all the time…
Now I can happily live another day with the íllusion of sanity 
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This^^^
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Of course, @MikeC
We go through this every time the subject comes up.
Songs are generally written to a static tempo, and sometimes incorporate planned tempo changes as well. Hopefully this much is not up for debate.
While a song may be written for, say, 120 bpm, if a human is playing it, there is practically zero chance it is played at a constant perfect 120bpm cadence. But it will be very close, and each measure will be played in a slightly different tempo. We aren’t robots. In fact, music that is created by computer and is too on the nose with regards to the tempo can sound too artificial, spawning a whole genre of “humanization” plugins which makes the tempo more slightly varied.
@howard is talking about written notation that is optimized for the way a piece is intended to be played. This notation is orderly, concise, easy to learn from - if you’re learning by looking at the sheet music (or tab) and figuring out how to play it.
@Whying_Dutchman 's ToneLib Jam is optimized for landing a note on the screen at the exact moment it is played in a specific recording. It works in the context of that software (or Rockband, or whatever) because the objective is to play the note at the exact time it shows up on screen to be played.
Unfortunately, the two don’t always play well together. If you export from Tonelib Jam into standard notation, you’ll get an exact representation of how that song was played - and that looks messy as hell to someone trying to learn from reading notation, as opposed to trying to learn a song from when the note shows up on screen.
It would be confusing to try to play Rockband, or Tonelib, or whatever using “how it was intended to be played” notation. It wouldn’t line up to the recording.
Likewise, it’s confusing trying to read notation generated by Tonelib, because it’s not optimized for that and the resulting output is very confusing for someone trying to learn by reading notation.
Two different ways of learning. I’d contend that they are both valid, but don’t try to conflate the two!
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Why didn’t we think about that in the first place, @fennario ?
Nobody likes to compromise - but you just invented consensus!? That makes a lot of sense. … and should be our new modus operandi at BB!
I am afraid, we will have this discussion many many many times again.
It’s BassBuzz’ Groundhog Day, just like sustain, or wood or those other perpetuum mobile topics.
Of course I don’t reject learning proper musical notation, theory, nor all those other complicated things that keeps a beginner from just playing and having fun. That would be utterly stupid!
But I can say that I’m more stubborn as ever with the recommendation of Tonelib Jam and Customforge, as I have seen what it does in a school context.
Gamification works!!!
For all those long time players it looks like child’s games … and yes, it’s uncool!
But how can people know if they don’t try it??? I don’t get the reluctance to experiment…
For beginners it’s a godsend. I stick to that opinion until you pry it from my cold, dead hands ^^
But all that is not important … important is that @fiwi found a solution to play happily, though he doesn’t know the f#ck what he is doing. Like me
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One more thing, before I need to clean the kitchen:
When I decided to learn bass, I went on YouTube and discovered this weird beardy guy with alien-like long fingers.
He is one of those influencers that teach you bass, you might know him. No, not that lightly dressed girl that plays bass in the bath tub - that beardy guy. Josh!
So, he uses a method where you see the tabs in realtime to the song that is playing, so that beginners can learn quickly.
I know that sounds totally crazy, but he has this course, where he of course also teaches theory, but most videos focus on playing songs or melodies with realtime synched tabs.
I know, I know - alien technology!
So - hear me out - if you have done this course and learned some technique, but you don’t really care (yet) about theory … wouldn’t it be great to apply that very same approach: tabs that are synchronised to music, for delving into songs you like or want to play?
You think it works only with that beardy guy?
Of course ToneLib Jam has no beardy guy, but I think that influencers nowadays are so expensive that they just could not afford to add the beardy guy function.
Have you seen that video with him where he wears the $900.000 watch? He is the Elon Musk of bass now!
So, if you can live without the beardy guy, and procrastinate on theory … Tonelib Jam and CustomForge is great!
Watch him here:
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I see your point @Whying_Dutchman and could agree that “this” song would only benefit @fiwi. I too, support the idea of play first learn later.
He’s probably not seeing anything but those number and some spacing through his tunnel vision, unless of course he’s already an accomplish musician but new to bass, then it wouldn’t matter anyways because he’d just chuckle it off, as being AI generated.
@fiwi
This is a perfect song for you to learn how to transcribe. It’s quite straight forward and has some “fills” or transition note. All you need is the Key signature to get going.
It may take you a few hours or a few days to get it right but this attitude will stay with you. The next time you want to play your favorite song and could not find the tabs, you can start transcribing yourself.
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Inspired by @fennario, I created a consensus video for @fiwi to learn.
It has the scrolling tabs, a beardy guy … just like in B2B … and if you are quick, a little surprise for the “dudes”.
Now everybody should be happy!? @joergkutter ? @howard ?
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OK, one last attempt:
- it was never about the song; I couldn’t care less about the song, how it is played and which tab might or might not work
- you were commended for helping out a fellow Buzzer to learn a song; this was repeated several times.
OK, let me repeat this, as you seem to have a hard time accepting these statements:
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it was never about the song; I couldn’t care less about the song, how it is played and which tabs might or might not work
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you were commended for helping out a fellow Buzzer to learn a song; this was repeated several times.
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Additionally, it is not about me being happy; it’s about trying to provide as best as we can some guidance, which, hopefully, goes beyond this one particular song. @howard first, and later others (myself included) have merely pointed out that the notation is really bad and being exposed to this as a beginner is not necessarily the “best” (most pedagogical) way forward.
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It’s NOT about the song! I don’t care whether you can play that song or not…
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I am sure @fiwi is old enough to use whatever information that serves him best at this point in time to learn that song (and I can’t imagine he needs a “consensus video” for that)
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That said, the tabulature is still wrong also - it is displaced by a quarter beat!
Again, great that you helped out and I hope that you will just accept that others might chime in with additional information when you provide help in the future. Here, it has blown up into silly proportions and I don’t intend to add anything more from my side.
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So, is it about the song or not? ^^
I tend to try and play the 5th fret when I can. It’s just a timbre thing, I prefer the sound on the thicker string. That said, if it doesn’t make sense for fretting the next note I just play the open.
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Hmmm.
I like being wrong. Being wrong means I learn things and improve.
Thinking that I’m right all the time achieves the opposite.
Be open to being wrong Aleid, Lieke or whatever your real name is.
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So not helpful. Provocation is never clever or interesting. Still, some persist, then complain about being mistreated. It’s tiresome.
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Hahaha, @barney - I always say when I’m wrong. You are an avid reader of my modding thread, you should know better!
But in this case, none of the theoretical stuff helped. It’s nice to know - but in the end it was about an easy way to learn a song. All other discussions complicated stuff … like it happens so often.
I tried to provide help - and obviously it worked. What did you do?
Barney / @MikeC - I wish, both of you were as helpful in my modding project.
Please reread you comments there and reflect if most of those are not provocations or more or less concealed insults!?!?!
With all due respect: man up and look in the mirror!
Almost nothing you wrote was helpful. Almost everything you wrote was denigrating.
Not everybody might share my humour, but at least I try to find solutions. I always put the extra effort into it, especially for beginners.
I would help both of you too, no matter what in think about your style. - even now.
You should try that too, at least once in a while!
I’ll see you in my modding thread, and hope you can show that you can live up to your own stated standards…
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Oh Lieke I tried being helpful. Suggesting that rather than using a power tool that a hand tool ie coping saw/fret saw would be the easiest for a beginner to use.
What did we end up with? This
I stopped giving you the benefit of my 20 years of carpentry because you don’t listen and want to argue.
That whole thread is like an extended car crash. It’s hard to look away from the carnage.
I’m happy you enjoy modding stuff but being open to advice is what made me a better tradesman.
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Advice to live by and, better yet, practice before issuing.
This has gone on long enough. I am out.
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