Is there a thread for song requests not on Youtube?

Hello from Belgium. I think it’s a quite easy to play song, but can’t find bass tab for Honey from Bobby Goldsboro on youtube. I’m still too rookie to figure it out myself :-/

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Hello to Belgium :slight_smile:

This one?

Here’s how to use it, if you don’t wanna use the really great Tonelib Jam:

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Yes indeed, starts with the C on the A string, I got that far (I hope) LOL

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I created a PDF for you! Haven’t verified and am waiting for … 3 … 2 … 1 … comments how bad they are. But that’s what I have :slight_smile:

Bobby-Goldsboro_Honey_v1_p.pdf (326.7 KB)

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Actually - this one really isn’t very good. There’s a much easier way to play using open strings, and the standard notation is a mess of nonsense. The timing is also all over the place in this one.

Nice of you to try and help him out though!

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Hahaha!

So, @fiwi - @howard is ALWAYS right!

Nevertheless, I advise you to do the following and see for yourself:

The songs for customforge are mostly crowd-driven and done for Rocksmith. Tonelib jam can play those, and it looks like this:

There is a good chance, that the tabs will work very well within Tonelib Jam. So, Howard might be right about the PDF, but wrong about synched playback:

Except when he actually loaded it in Tonelib Jam, played it and found: they s#ck!

Examples of songs played in Tonelib Jam (mostly in Rocksmith mode, but some are also in “normal” tab mode):

Some really, totally and absolutely s#ck, I admit!

PS @howard - I feel somehow lost & abandoned, when you don’t respond to the Tonelib Jam tabs :slight_smile:

Actually - you’re wrong! I just played it true and it fits perfectly!
Try it with Tonelib Jam please.

That’s a matter of preference, really! You can play it both ways.

@fiwi - if you prefer to play open strings: there is an easy way to change tabs with (the free) MuseScore. Here you can “batch” select fretting position and move them to a more suitable position. I do that all the time!
Easy means: you need to know what you’re doing.
If you want, I can write a little tutorial for changing tabs in MuseScore…

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No. Well, this time I am, but… no :slight_smile:

Were you not able to look at this one and see the problems?

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I didn’t have the time, cause: modding and cleaning the f#cking kitchen before my girlfriend comes back from her stripper weekend in Belgium :slight_smile:

But I took the time after your reply, see above.

Please download ToneLib Jam, import that track - and THEN tell if they’re wrong. They play perfectly, really!

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Playing it fretting with the 5th is fine too, just more work than needed.

However the standard notation is a mess, and real songs do not change tempo on every measure - not even Radiohead does this.

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We have this discussion every time.

So, in my opinion, what counts is: are the tabs perfectly synched to the song, so you can play it?
In more than 90% this is the case! Like with this song.

I think, @fifi wants to play, not get lost in theoretical discussion. Please install Tonelib Jam, load the track and play it.
It is the only way to give a responsible opinion, I think!

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no :rofl:

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But then it’s unfair - I’m serious!

You keep complaining about this, and you are one of the experts here, so people believe you.
Now, for beginners this is a problem - if you’re wong.
The combination of Customsforge and Tonelib Jam is an excellent way to learn songs. It’s being used in schools here.

By criticizing it without having complete information, you take away the chance for @fiwi to learn this song (as he hasn’t found the tab anywhere else) … and worse: for potentially other people that read this.

So please please please try this song in Tonelib and say something informed about it!

I think we have a certain responsibility, especially for beginners. Let’s take some time for them??!

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No. It’s immaterial whether or not it happens to work in that particular software, because the standard notation is nonsense regardless. Additionally, while I am willing to believe Tonelib requires wacky tempo changes like that to function, it’s simply not how the song should be notated.

I don’t need to try it in Tonelib, because regardless of if it “works”, it’s still bogus notation.

The tab part may or may not work ok in that context and it’s probably useful to learn the song regardless. Like I said, I think you’re trying to do a cool thing with this.

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Okok - I will make a video of this song … can you at least look at that?

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Do you not see what I am trying to say here? There’s no point in me watching a video of it. I am sure it probably works fine in Tonelib because Tonelib excreted that notation based on what it thought it had.

Regardless of if it works in Tonelib the generated standard notation and the weird tempo changes are still not good, and this has nothing to do with whether it works in Tonelib or not. It literally doesn’t matter.

The tab itself is probably still useful for learning the song though so at least that can help Filip out.

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@Whying_Dutchman : it’s not about the accuracy of the notes (not here, anyway). It’s about showing a beginner a notation that is so “off-putting” in its deviation from the rules of notation, that it can only be detrimental in the long term for the OP to start learning/reading such messed up notation.

(I am sure you appreciate that there are rules of typography that let you read a book without too much trouble, instead of trying to parse what is being said through a jumble of letters!?! :wink:)

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I understand what you mean.
But this is just about learning a song. And for this it works.
I can imagine it’s harder to understand for somebody who is an expert, but you have to look at it from the POV of a beginner.

And here I can comfortably say: it works! You learn how to play a song…

By the way, I just looked at a RipX MIDI conversion. I ignored the resulting score, it’s always bogus.
But the tempo changes here too - so I’m sure the tempo is right in the Customforge version. Also I’m sure that the synched tab is correct - for PLAYING!

@joergkutter - maybe you want to install Tonelib Jam and try for yourself, so you see what I mean?

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You’re generating it from the same source every time so of course it’s always the same. That does not mean it is right.

Real songs do not change tempo like this. And yet this exists in every one of the scores generated using this software. That’s because it’s an artifact of the software and the source material. It’s simply incorrect notation.

There may be issues that cause playback to speed up or slow down (tape stretching, records warping, etc etc) but literally no one writes songs with tempo changes like that, and no human would notate them, regardless of source imperfections.

As for the standard notation score - it doesn’t take very long to learn to read music - a day or two at most, for the basics - and I highly encourage doing so. Because it would then be obvious to you why the standard notation part is bogus.

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I guess nobody doubted that. But… do you (in the long run) want to be able to just mimic a Spanish sentence, or do you want to understand the rules of pronunciation etc such that you also will be able to correctly say another (so far unknown) Spanish sentence in the future!?

No, thanks! A) that was not the point, and B) that’s not what I am interested in :smile:

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