Jam Tracks / Improv. Tracks - Share your bassline

Okay, so here’s my bassline. I’m on Mod 15 in B2B, it’s my favorite so far, lots of improv, and it’s all finally kind of coming together (I think!) I only used 4 notes here - most of the 1 beat is the root note of C. “Find me a C on the E string,” I could hear Josh saying. “Play me a minor pentatonic”. I used the boomier E and A strings since my EQ settings were whack. Then just noodled my way through, it took about 3 takes, and is by no means perfect. But hopefully not bad for a first shot.

Feedback please!! I want to improve, and need to know what to work on!

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Thanks for reviving this, @Vik! I think I will try and NOT listen to any already submitted basslines (yours and @Gio’s) before I have done my own… lest I get “influenced” :smile:

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Yeaaah @Vik!
Thanks for taking up the gauntlet / jam offer.

Everything about this bass line is good.
Root note on downbeat = check
Simple and repetitive = check
I like the move to the 5 of the chord towards the end of the phrase, and I really like the walk at the end up the scale as the track moves up.
Your time is good, and it all works so - success!

If we were in a lesson and you played that, after we high-fived and wallowed in the success of a juicy bass line for a minute, I’d go on with the following:

A good way to conceptualize a bass line like this is:

DON’T PLAY THE BASS RIGHT AWAY.

Listen to the track, and let your musical brain hear the bass line that you wish was on there. Do not have your bass plugged in for this part. Listen and sing, hum, imagine - however you can conceptualize the bass line.

If you have your bass in your hands, and start there, your fingers and analytical-practice-fingering-form brain will have the tendency to take over. Resist this!!

When you’re listening - here are something to try:
1.) The root note / basic groove.
There should be something that is identifiable and repeatable that locks you in to this particular groove. Best starting advice: Listen to the drum pattern, and try and find a root note bass line that locks into the kick drum pattern for beats 1-2. Whatever the kick drum does through the beginning of the bar, you do it too. Sing it to yourself or out loud.

2.) THE RULE OF FOUR. Whatever your basic rhythmic / root pattern is, try this tried and true formula for bass line variation:
On a four bar / four pattern phrase:
Bar 1 = the simple groove verbatim
Bar 2 = the simple groove with a slight variation
Bar 3 = the simple groove verbatim again
Bar 4 = variation - this could be the groove with a slight variation, this could be a complete other part, it could be a real tasty fill, it could be the bass hook -
the purpose here is to go somewhere else, so that when you start over again at Bar 1 of your 4-bar adventure, it feels like an arrival.

Try all of this without playing the bass.
Then, if you have your ideas solid, pick up your bass and play them.

…in real life, what follows is lots of strained and awkward moments of grown-ass adults to teenagers realizing their bass instructor has asked them to sing… and that he is serious about it. This type of thing is reaalllll hard to do one-on-one in front of a teacher. Better at home. But it’s SUPER important to keep the music first, your hands and fingers second.

Thanks again for finding the track.
I made one in every key, in lots of different styles.
Send me a private message, and I can link you to some playalong dropbox folders of both major and minor pentatonic playalongs in all keys.
Good fun!

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@Gio , I would quote parts of your reply in response, but then, I’d end up quoting the whole thing! So much helpful info, thank you!! And I’ll take you up on your offer of more playalong tracks - gems to learn from, for sure.

For anyone wanting to try this, once you get past your own mental hurdles, and then some technological hurdles of making a recording work, this is actually a ton of fun. And no judgement here - we are all just learning / improving, so you really can’t go wrong.

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OK, here is mine (I hope this link works!?!):

This was such an eye-opening process, on so many levels!! I had something in my head, but to get it into my fingers and have it played to an even just barely acceptable level is a totally different ballgame. Wow, I think I learned a lot by just trying this, and hearing myself and how inconsistent my playing is and how often I am not “in the pocket” at all (haha) is really mind-blowing. Awesome learning and humbling exercise!

Probably super fun to try it again in about six months and see whether I can do it better!

Thanks, @Gio and @Vik!

PS: now I can listen to what you guys came up with - even more fun!

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Thanks for reviving this thread @Vik, and to you and @joergkutter for posting your bass lines! We should make this more of a regular thing, maybe if there’s enough interest I’ll make a whole separate Playalongs sub-forum so they’re easier to find.

And @joergkutter, recording oneself and listening back is very often humbling, I can verify from extensive personal experience. :slight_smile:

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@Gio - Muff kneels down and bows to your godlike status as a BASSMASTER!

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oh I missed this post ! so here is my attempt … not much variations but, hey, I’m learning :smiley: thank you very much Gio for the backing track !

I don’t have a soundcloud account so I uploaded it to Youtube, but it’s basically the same thing :slight_smile:

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That’d be sweet! And yeah, pretty humbled right now myself, listening to the other 3 basslines posted :slight_smile: But all good, just hearing how others hear this now familiar tune, and dream up basslines is just a good experience.

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So I got up early today, like 5.30 a.m. Make some Tea, open up my mail. There’s a thread link from Bassbuzz, always an interesting thing compared to the influx of junk and the daily grind. I click the link… I spend several minutes waking everyone up with outright hysteria (it seems) true LOL!. Dude that was a really great gif to wake to.

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You guys are way more adventurous than I am. I kept it real simple :slight_smile:

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@Gio: if/when you have a minute (actually, 2:39 + change), I’d really appreciate a short feedback from you on my bassline attempt. Just a few pointers what to look out for, what to work on, which rookie mistakes to avoid in the future, …

Thanks!

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Absolutely @joergkutter!

I gave it some listens, and here are my feedbacks:

  • I like your more compositional / song-structured approach. I don’t know if it was intentional or not, but leaving out the first few bars and then entering with a bass statement was real cool!
  • The bassline is varied in a real nice way. It has two arrivals, and the second one makes you want to hear a resolution - it’s a nice structure for a repeating form.
  • great job in finding and experimenting with fills all over your bass
  • It sounds like you’re aiming for what you want to hear and not just playing through a finger formula.

All real good stuff.
The main stuff I hear to work on would be rhythm related.
It sounds like your ear is really tuned to the notes and the melodies you want the line to carry, but the rhythm feels a bit pushed through.
The rhythm could be much more accurate.
And by that, I don’t mean metronomic. I mean: the drum feel on this is a behind the beat, kinda sloppy, relaxed feel. You want to emulate that and match it on bass.
Your tendency in the recorded track is to rush, and against this soundscape and drum feel, it stands out to me.

This is a problem that I’ve had for the entirety of my playing career. It has to do mostly with what you focus on. If you’re a melody-tuned player (guilty), it is easy to focus on the notes you want to hear, and the sounds you want, and not so much on the precision of when they show up.
Guilty, guilty, guilty.

If I were your teacher, I would subscribe the following:
Find live drummer loops on youtube, or download the funk drum loops on Drumgenius (that app I love).

THEN - listen to the drum patterns until you’re singing them. Until you are feeling like you could dance to them - until they are deep in your bones. THEN - lay your left hand over the strings so they’re all muted.
THEN - play a bass line on the muted bass.
Only pay attention to how your rhythm is phrasing. The only mission is for your non-pitched muted plucking to groove completely with the drum loop.

THEN… if you’ve got it… you can play ONE NOTE. A groovy one note bass line.

That’s it.
And do that for a different groove every day, or every time you sit down to practice. Hopefully it will transition your ear a bit deeper into the rhythm.

Great job on the line, I’m so glad you and these other awesome folks were able to get some mileage out of my jam track, and keep it up keep it up keep it up!
Hope this is helpful.

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@Gio your analysis is very interesting, and if you have a minute I would love an analysis of my track too. it could be short, I don’t want to consume too much of your time :slight_smile: but that’s too interesting, I can’t resist asking :blush:

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Ha! You got it @terb.
I’ll find some time and give some feedback. I love that y’all are putting yourselves out there and asking for the real deal constructive criticism.
Makes my 'lil musical heart all warm and fuzzy.

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Thanks so much for the awesome feedback, @Gio! And, it seems, you really got my number :grin:

Thanks! Yeah, it was intentional (and I am not just saying that now) - I really wanted to let the motif stand for itself for one repetition before joining in.

This is so spot-on! I guess I was aiming (too) high given my experience on the bass, and that meant that I really was struggling to get the notes right. Also, the fact that I wanted to bring in several different fills (to break the monotony) didn’t exactly help either. So, while I was sweating to fret the right notes, I certainly wasn’t paying nearly as much attention to the rhythm feel.

Interesting to hear that it is (mostly) rushed; I could only notice that it didn’t quite groove along all the time. In any case, there were many takes and at some point I had to let it go…

Awesome advice on how to move forward. As always, it seems simplifying things before complicating them is the way to go. (My affection for fusion and a certain lack of patience is going to play some interference here, I am afraid :slight_smile:)

Thanks again - much obliged!

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Hail @terb!

I got some listens in.
Very niiiice, sir.

If you’re in the lesson room (which - for me at my local guitar shop - is, literally, an underground room with brick walls, surrounded by weird decrepit gear, with ceilings too low for me to stand all the way up) with me, here’s what I would say:

  • great use of space. The line breathes, leaves plenty of room for the keys and drums - it fits the vibe real nice.
  • You listened and prepared well - the chord progression is followed nicely and the kick drum pattern is locked into
  • Well composed - everything has a nice back-and-forth flow. The bass line is clear, and the embellishments add to everything nicely.
    I would be a proud and satisfied teacher.
    At this point we would probably go out and you would buy me coffee in celebration. Possibly also a croissant.

THEN… we’d come back to the bass cave and I would add the following:

First - expand that vocabulary! There’s nothing wrong with the choices you’ve made or the lines you played (nice rhyme there, eh?) but I’d like to hear more phrasing and choices that sound like you’ve played 1,000,000 Cmin pentatonic bass lines, and you’ve built up a sweet and solid arsenal of bass ideas in that space. The lines, as they are, sound a little bit stiff. Perfect if it was a Devo song, but in this style, they stand out.

Second (and closest to my heart) - you (like myself, and countless other excitable bassists) are tending to rush when you play a more exciting or moving line.
It is pretty subtle, and I’m only jumping on it because it is such a easy tendency to ignore, and such a terrible tendency to let grow. Here’s a rather long bit about playing fills, embellishments, solos, melodic connections, improvisations of any kind in a bass line:

Never ever ever be THINKING about what you’re playing while you’re playing it. You have to be thinking long-term, already hearing (in perfect, grooving rhythm) where you’re landing, and what will follow.
It’s like we have this switch in our pattern brains that goes like this:

bass line
bass line
bass line
OTHER THING!!!

bass line
bass line
bass line…
OTHER THING!!!

And every time the other thing shows up, our ears go to what we’re doing, our fingers get excited, and things move out of groovy phrasing and go into “I’m excited about what I’m doing” phrasing.
Musically what happens is we rush those phrases. We’re thinking about what we’re doing, and our vision is (usually) from the beginning of our fill to the end of it, rather than a smooth and clear vision across the width and breadth of the groove.

So: When you are developing the bass line and when you reach for the fill - don’t think about the fill. Think about the time and groove behind the fill, and think about the next bar, and how relaxed and groovy it will be.

…I could go on and on and on about this - it’s something I’m working on currently myself, so it’s at the forefront of my brain!

That’s a long and exhaustive way of saying - relax and focus on the groove, and don’t worry about the fills… And if this seems antithetical with my first comment (expand the vocabulary) I promise it isn’t.
If you have a wide and deep vocabulary, when you’re more fluent, you don’t have to worry about each individual word - you can focus more on the main idea. Same with bass lines.
Broaden your vocabulary so that you don’t have to think about your vocabulary so much when you reach for a bass line variation.
And… don’t rush those fills.
It’s all about the groooooove.

Great job, @terb. Hope this helps.

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Self critique for mine:

  • too repetitive/doesn’t go anywhere
  • I managed to be to fast and too slow at different points
  • lack of articulation and punch
  • stuck to “safe” intervals
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We are all our own harshest critics, @howard! But, where a teacher like @Gio and @JoshFossgreen will also see good things, we almost exclusively focus on our shortcomings! That said, I think being “repetitive” and sticking to “safe intervals” are probably some real good characteristics for a (supportive) bass player :smile:

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