Yeah mixing the vocals is tough on this one and I agree with your take. The problem is my vocal range - it’s right at C2 in this song, same range as the guitar. So the unmasking plugin is pulling it in front of the rhythm guitar.
he plays on a Fender Precision Bass obviously (MIA Deluxe)
I knew him when I used to build and mod tube amps all the time ; at the time I modified his Ampeg tube head
I believe that I also modified his Ampeg 4x10 but I don’t remember what I did on it
and at the time he had a Custom Shop MM Stingray … yes … and this thing was army green with a white pickguard, and I absolutly LOVED this bass, and this is the exact and only reason why I painted Greenie in green ! (Greenie was white when she left the Fender factory)
now he sold his Ampeg stack and he plays on a Orange AD-200 full stack (4x10 + 1x15) and it sounds awesome
this guy is also a guitar player, and he happened to own the most fabulous Telecaster I’ve always seen and played (including a few Custom Shop $5000 things). incredibly lively and wild, even for a Telecaster. sick piece of wood, really. I told him “when you sell it, you call me, you name your price and I buy it.” he did not forget and a few years later, he called me. this Telecaster is my #1 guitar since more than 10 years and very probably forever (he sold the Tele to buy a Gibson Les Paul Custom - how ridiculous ?)
funny enough, this guitar is from the same series than Greenie, the MIA Highway One series which was some kind of vintage reissue with minor modern features like the 9,5" radius. Juliette and Greenie are both close to origin with a repaint an all pickups and electronics changed to more modern and agressive parts. perfect for me.
yeah that’s exactly the point, and to me it’s an anti-problem. the vocal range of a man and the frequency spectrum of a guitar are quite close (the guitar get way higher with the harmonics, but the main frequencies are more or less the same), but in fact that’s really the point. the rythm guitar NEEDS to be more in front than the vocal line. might be counter intruitive but I think I know your level about mix and production and I know it won’t be shocking to you and you very probably already know that.
what I’m trying to say is that when you have two instrument in the exact same frequency range, you have to choose which gets the priority. your plugin set the voice to the front ; it’s OK for a pop mix, not for a rock/punk/all-our-things mix. I guess it’s something you can set in your plugins ?
I’m not saying your mix is wrong (“non-working”), I’m more trying to point what would make it sound more in the spirit of the song itself. which is important. the purpose of production, somewhere …
So, is this in the original key? Have you considered transposing it to “force” you to sing a little higher? To me, it feels that when you hit the higher notes (like in “the DIE is cast”), your voice opens up much more (in a good way)…
Again, take this all with a grain of salt… that’s just me talking from a purely gut feeling point of view (without worrying about all the technical and other challenges lurking behind).
And I kinda see @terb’s point re: the mix, but everything else is just top notch!!
Yeah, original key. I refuse to transpose for my voice because I am more a bass player than a vocalist so if I go all prima donna singer on the band, I am just fighting with myself
You’re right about my range though. It basically starts at A2 so this is right near the bottom (song is E minor and the vocals start on the fifth.) If I sing it an octave higher (like Grant) the high notes go out of my range.
I actually pulled his vocal solo into melodyne to verify I was singing the right notes