You got a POG AND a Sub N Up.
You are dedicated to your octave sound
Why not get a TC E Brainwaves why you are at it. LOL
Just kidding of course, but mixing octavers could be cool.
Instead of using one pedal to do the upper and lower octave, you could put a octave up signal into a sub octave 2 below signal and get something really funky
then put it into your Tube Screamer and have something magical.
Heck, maybe I will get another octaver so i can try that.
Edit: I will say one thing. I LOVE the Sub n Up, it is AWESOME, but I have enot found the TONE PRINTS to be all that good.
I think this is because the pedal is so good, and very easy to dial in a good sound, that the tone prints donât add that much.
I have heard awesome toneprints on the SpectraDrive and Chorus pedal on youtube videos, but nothing really great for the Sub n Up. The TC ELECTRONICS package of tone prints is solid, the artist ones is what I am saying doesnât really do much better then the basic package.
I guess you missed my comment about the Sub n UpâŚ
After I ordered it, I was looking at the photos and I realized it was the mini, which is not what I want. The seller failed to include that in the heading or description. I thought I was getting a great deal, but in fact paid close to retail. I am partly to blame for not being more careful.
Itâs due to arrive on Monday and I will flip it and take a loss. Itâs the price I pay for this lesson.
The mini is almost identical to the POG howver, it has the same control, one octave up and one ocatave down, only I think it can be polyphonic or monophonic, and tone print, which as you can see above is not great for ARTIST tone prints, but you get a little flexibility with the TC Electronics tone print package.
I would try it, and since you have both coming, it may be helpful for you to do some A/B testing to see if there is anyting better about the POG to the Sub n Up Mini.
I actually was thinking to buy a mini here for you when I sent you that last package cuz there is one on Offer Up for $60. I figured one pedal at a time, and then you didnât like the filter, so I didnât want to send you something else you potentially would not like.
Yes, I totally understand and this is probably what everyoneâs ambition is.
However, the problem I have encountered in my still very limited experience is âtransportabilityâ of your sound (for lack of a better word). What I mean is that you may have set everything up (with pedals, pre-amps, amps and cabinets and so on) just perfectly sitting in your living room practicing, playing along to songs, noodling⌠But, then, when you get to a different place (e.g., band rehearsal room, small bar venue, medium sized âgym hallâ type venue, âŚ), you find yourself struggling with what you hear when you play. And that seems to happen even if you lug ALL your equipment with you and set it up exactly as you have at home. But now, the acoustics are different, there is a (loud) drummer next to you (some of the drums occupy the same frequency space as your bass), there are one or two guitar players, a keyboard player, a singer etc. All of sudden, your âsoundâ sounds like mush, itâs just booming low frequencies with no definition. Or, it suddenly sounds very thin, honky, without foundation⌠Then what? You start to frantically (and perhaps randomly) twiddling with knobs trying to rectify the situation!?!
And going into the studio with all your gear might not work either, for any number of reasons.
I (personally) find this whole issue of sound extremely challenging and while that makes it exciting to explore, I bet it can get very stressful in the situation mentioned above, if you are not prepared and donât know how to deal with the issue (like myself ).
NB: I use âyouâ in the paragraphs above meaning not just you, @T_dub, but as the general âyouâ (us all/most of us).
They donât even have one for PRIME here, and it is like $60, not $32. Sucks to not be in BASS heaven like you sometimes.
For that price, which is same as the EHX Small Stone (on reverb with free ship, they are about a buck apart) I am not so certain which one I would like. Sometimes the more control you have over the effect, the better, sometimes the less you have the better. In this case, I may be better off with the single knob on the EHX Small Stone rather then the three here, I might have a better time with the easy dial in then fighting trying to get a good sound and / or wondering if I have the best settings or not.
I donât have that much PHASER experience. Guess i will use my teacher to figure it out. My teacher being the Zoom B1x-four or MS-60b. will teach me a little more about the effect prior to getting one, or deciding to keep the MS-60b on the board or not.
I understand what you are saying completely, and fortunaely, or unfortunately, depending on you you look at it, I donât have any of those problems you have described above.
I only play at home. i donât have a band to play with, or others to play with, and I am not so sure if I will go full on band at anytime, but I do think that i will play with others at some point in the future, how long from now, I canât say for sure. i am not in a hurry, but I think it could be a valuable part of my learning and developing as a bass player, so I may try to find some people within the next few months, after I get moved and all situated in life first. Id onât need to add that to my list of to-doâs right now, as I have some to-doâs that are rather urgent at the moment.
So, for me, I see too scenarioâs, and the most practical would be this, keep my pedalboard all set up at home as part of my home studio, and I would start out by bringing one of my amps with my Zoom B1x-four with me to wherever I would be playing with others. I might find the need to bring an additional pedal or two, but not the whole pedal board. I could see needing one of my compressors, and maybe an OD or Fuzz pedal, but I think I could get by with that. At least I could create a patch or two that work in the place I go to play. and if I were to go to multiple places, I could create patches that sound good at each.
Scenario two would be to have a 2nd pedalboard and just have a simple tuner - compressor - OD pedal and maybe chorus pedal and possibly the Zoom B1x-four or MS-60b to cover anything else I find I might need.
Now I donât really think I would be buying all new pedals, I may have a 2nd tuner and compressor for the board and then I might just take my PLUMES OD or Alpha Omega Ultra (for the boost and EQ on it) and my EHX Bass Clone for Chorus. or even if I donât use my Zoom MS-60B on my home pedal board, i could build a 2nd around it like this for taking on the road.
I could take my Mini Bass Crybaby too, but this probably wonât be needed as I explain here.
Most of the stuff on my board, and this might go for most of us, wouldnât be that practical to play with others, much of it is for me to have fun with, and sometimes to re-create some sounds for covers I may want to play
And as far as studio, I doubt I will ever record on anything buy my own home studio, or someone else, and even if I do compilations with others, unless recording live, I might just do my parts at home, while they do theirs at their home. I am not really thinking that far ahead, but I donât see it becoming an issue for me. i do realize it could be a real concern for some people however.
So, when everythingâs said and done, isnât this the ultimate solution then anyway??
I know they have been talked about here before, but I only just now saw that there is the Helix LT model available now that is a bit closer to being âaffordableâ than the full rack or floor model (âonlyâ about 1000 Euro ).
No fiddling with mounting boards, power supplies, patch cables or even amps/cabinets etc. (if you want to). Takes IR profiles, gets firmware upgrades and new models/effects every now and then,⌠Seems almost ideal - whatâs the catch?
It boils down to preference at this point.
I know @terb uses these primarily just like you said, the occasional pedal for special needs. It is a fine way to do it if that is the way you want to go with it.
I donât think that it would stop you from needing to adjust from place to place, but there are probably user presets that can help you so after you set up at a place, you can save it and use it as a starting point when you get back.
maybe it is dialed in perfect, maybe it is close, and you can get it dialed in with a quick tweak or two, that you might save in hopes it works just right next time you go.
The other drawback, or maybe the only drawback, is you donât have to option to pay as you go, or as you build, and get started with what you can afford now and add as your budget allows.
On the other hand you could finance it and pay as you go??
Yep, they call them snapshots and you can, of course, set it up such that you can take out individual elements with one of the switches (like stomp boxes).
But, yeah, the price is a still hard to swallow⌠financing could indeed make that more manageable
Might be the best option for you, and help to satisfy all your needs. At least if you get it from a reputable place, you should have the option to return it if it is not all you think it is supposed to be, within a reasonable amount of time, like 45 days.
The Helix is a studio grade multieffects unit and definitely a step up from the Zoom and Boss lower-priced units. If you are going for a multieffects unit itâs a good choice, if expensive. Line6 makes great gear.
Good backing, too. Like Ampeg, Yamaha owns them now.
My only issue with line6 is the same as everybodyâs issues with zoom. What if you buy it and like your darkglass OD pedal more than theirs? Or your envelope filter, or reverb. Pedals by nature will always give you more flexibility but less convenience. Trade offs.
Yes, this is a certain risk, but even those risks get less and less relevant, as some of these multi-effect boards also have âprofilersâ that basically learn to emulate whatever you feed them. There are user libraries with IR profiles that can be shared and so it becomes increasingly more flexible, as you donât have to buy/own all the pedals, not even to test them.
My limited research has yielded four contenders (some of them have profilers, some not; some are made with bass in mind, some not (yet), but could take IRs for bass amps etc.):
Zoom G11 (so far mostly for guitars)
Mooer GE-300 (can do profiles; cheaper than the others (I think))
Line 6 Helix LT (for guitar and bass)
Kemper Stage (is in essence derived from a profiler, as far as I can tellâŚ)
Some of these are expensive, really expensive, but it might be a worthwhile long-term investmentâŚ
For NEW products, I think the reason people pick Zoom over Line 6 is obviously price, plus, although it is a perfectly legitimate pc of hardware that pros CAN use for small live performances, it is also a good beginner tool, you can learn about the patches by playing with it in stomp mode, and you can fit it on the pedalboard and use it until you donât need it anymore, like I did, you did, and others have. It seems like Line 6 is better for those that know what they want, and know they will get it from the Line 6 product. At least that is my take on it. I personally have not had a chance to try ANY Line 6 product, but I would not pass on the chance.
This unit looks like a good option. it appears it works well within itself, but will work well with pedals added, in front and in a loop.
I will say I did not investigate throughly, but i am starting to like the NU>X products, so I would be willing myself, to check out others if I were to have a need for one.
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