Moises vs Studio one Pro

TheMaartian · October 5, 2025, 2:24pm

Ha ha. That reminds me of a Jethro Tull concert back in the ‘70s. The lights went up after the opening act and a young male voice from the back of the coliseum yelled out “Does anybody know me?” I wanted some of what he was having!

Whying_Dutchman · October 5, 2025, 2:51pm

I use the PreSonus ES4, so the drivers should be the same as yours.
Never had any issues with those drivers, strange!

I’ll retest in Windows driver mode…

“Unfortunately”, those times are long gone for me … though my best Wipeout/Playstation experience (and highest high score) happened during a LSD session, so maybe that would make me play bass better too?
We’ll never know … or will we? No, we won’t

Anyways, for learning more about the theory and how to apply it, a clear mind seems to be much better.

MattyD · October 5, 2025, 3:54pm

I have a lot of trouble with Ableton on my PC. Might need to try turning off asio myself

howard · October 5, 2025, 9:30pm

I always love it when people play games as they were intended. Did you also have Rez and the Trance Adapter?

TheMaartian · October 6, 2025, 6:07am

Which audio interface? Using their ASIO driver or, god forbid, ASIO4ALL? What sample rate and buffer size?

Small buffer sizes like 64 and 128 are necessary when recording live to minimize latency, but when mixing and mastering, buffer sizes of 1024 or 2048 work just fine and leave the extra CPU cycles available for whatever plugins you’re using.

I have used a 48000 sample rate and 256 buffer size without problems on my former desktop PC (5+ years ago) and now on my Lenovo P17 ThinkPad laptop with zero problems with 3 different audio interfaces.

Whying_Dutchman · October 6, 2025, 9:55am

Of course I have played Rez. I must admit that I liked it more from the promotion pictures than actual game play.

Wipeout on the other hand was “my” game since the first version came out. I have all versions on almost all consoles and PC, except for the “newer” consoles … as a 17 year old girl beat the sh#t out of me several years ago, to demonstrate I’m really getting old, so I did not bother getting further versions of it

howard · October 6, 2025, 10:47am

Gonna have to go with Wipeout Pure being the peak (both for soundtrack and game).

Rez - well it wasn’t exactly a game. I mean it was but… well you know.

Whying_Dutchman · October 6, 2025, 10:53am

For me it was WipeOut 2097, in terms of soundtrack:

I guess, Wipeout 2097 is also my favourite game version. Pure was too perfect.
With 2097 I have so many fond memories, of afterhours with various (new) friends, being in “the” state, playing, enjoying the sound on a great surround system, having a beamer for those occasions. Everybody feeling “wooooaaaaaaaaaaaawwwww”…

Those were the good times!

howard · October 6, 2025, 11:05am

Oh that was Wipeout XL! Yeah really solid soundtrack. Actually - yeah I would go with that over Pure for soundtrack (though I think Pure was a better looking game).

MattyD · October 6, 2025, 12:55pm

I have a Scarlett 2i2 and a honking CPU but if I bring NG the sample rate down all I get is static in Ableton. I’m just using asio I’m not sure if the driver was included or I downloaded it.

Whying_Dutchman · October 6, 2025, 12:59pm

That’s strange!

Try this:

remove all Scarlet drivers including ASIO
remove Asio4All
Try it again
If that does not work, install Scarlet Windows drivers. Try it again.
If that does not work, install Scarlet ASIO drivers. Try it again.
If that does not work, install FlexASIO drivers. Try it again.
If that does not work, install Asio4All drivers. Try it again.
If that does not work, get a proper DAI

MattyD · October 6, 2025, 1:33pm

Thanks for the advice! Yea it’s weird it’s like even when samples are high and it does record in the session view I usually have to record twice to get it to work. Far from a live environment

Whying_Dutchman · October 6, 2025, 1:36pm

I had some severe issues with ASIO due to Asus ArmouryCrate on my ROG gaming notebook until some time ago.
I removed ArmouryCrate and use GHelper now. No issues since then.

Sometimes, the cause is somewhere you don’t expect…

Fred · October 6, 2025, 2:27pm

If all you’re trying to do is create bassless backing tracks for practice, you might want to Audacity and add the plugin from openVino. Both are free! Stems are created locally - no internet cloud service needed! Pretty easy to use. Quality is good enough for practice use.

MattyD · October 6, 2025, 2:58pm

Oh dude, yea I just uninstalled armory crate. Absolutely 0 need for that. Hopefully that helps. Thanks!

Whying_Dutchman · October 6, 2025, 3:00pm

Don’t forget to install this instead:

MattyD · October 6, 2025, 5:09pm

I’ll keep it in mind it looks like the scheme I had on my keyboard still works so maybe I don’t need it.

qenden · October 12, 2025, 8:41am

Just purchased songmaster pro , thanks @TheMaartian for your info !

Very happy with it, good stem separation, friendly interface and a buy once price !

TheMaartian · October 12, 2025, 8:57am

ultgenie

Whying_Dutchman · October 20, 2025, 8:05pm

Just discovered this:

It’s free, easy to use and VERY powerfull! You can download various advanced algorithms for stem separation.

And Perplexity is nice enough to advise on settings.

Highly recommended!

EDIT I asked perplexity some stuff about it so you don’t have to:

QUESTION: What process methods does ultimate vocal remover 5 support? Explain each!

ANSWER PERPLEXITY: Ultimate Vocal Remover 5 (UVR5) supports multiple process methods, each representing a distinct algorithmic family for separating stems (vocals, instruments, reverb, etc.). These methods determine which AI model architecture the program uses for analysis and output.

VR Architecture

This is the traditional architecture originally used in earlier UVR versions. It relies on convolutional neural networks specifically designed for vocal/instrument separation. It includes:

VR Arch Single Model V5: A classic model for general-purpose separation.
Variants like 7_HP2 UVR target higher frequencies and broader spectral coverage, yielding smooth results in pop and rock songs.

MDX-NET

MDX-NET is UVR5’s primary neural network method, featuring models trained on large datasets to understand complex mixes. It delivers high-quality isolation and is ideal for most songs. Key models include:

UVR-MDX-NET Inst 3 / Main / HQ: For instruments or full-stem separation.
MDX23C-InstVoc D1581: A hybrid model that separates both vocals and instruments with strong spectral precision.
Supports GPU conversion, providing fast processing with minimal quality trade-offs.vocalremover.easeus+1

Demucs

Based on Facebook AI’s Demucs architecture, this method uses waveform-level (time-domain) deep learning rather than spectrogram processing. It provides naturally sounding separations, especially effective for:

Full stem decomposition (vocals, bass, drums, and other instruments).
Models like htdemucs_ft (V4) expand performance for multi-stem extraction.deepwiki+1

ONNX Dereverb

This process method, built from MDXNetDereverb, focuses on reverb and echo reduction rather than pure separation. It’s often applied to clean up vocals after extraction—removing room reflections, echoes, and artificial reverbs from mixed recordings.deepwiki

DeEcho

The AudioPreDeEcho models specialize in echo suppression and clarity enhancement while performing separation. They’re ideal for live or noisy recordings, cleaning artifacts introduced by reverberation or overcompression.deepwiki

Ensemble Mode

UVR5’s Ensemble Mode blends results from multiple models to create a single composite output. Users can select multiple different process methods (for example, MDX and Demucs) and average or combine their results using ensemble algorithms like Max Spec/Max Spec to optimize isolation fidelity.reddit+1

Summary Table

Process Method	Type	Primary Use	Characteristics
VR Architecture	Spectrogram CNN	Basic vocals/instrumentals	Fast, simple, moderate quality vocalremover.easeus+1
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MDX-NET	Neural net (spectro)	General-purpose, high quality	Most recommended for modern mixes vocalremover.easeus+1
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Demucs	Time-domain DNN	Multi-stem splitting	More natural sound, slower vocalremover.easeus+1
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ONNX Dereverb	Neural dereverberator	Reverb/echo cleanup	Post-processing enhancer deepwiki
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DeEcho	Neural echo suppressor	Echo removal + separation	Optimized for noisy sources deepwiki
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Ensemble Mode	Hybrid	Blended results	Combines multiple models for balance vocalremover.easeus+1
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In short, UVR5 lets you choose from spectral, time-domain, dereverb, and ensemble processing paths, enabling users to tailor the method to their source quality and artistic intent.

QUESTION: What demucs models does does ultimate vocal remover 5 support? Explain each!

ANSWER PERPLEXITY:
Ultimate Vocal Remover 5 (UVR5) includes support for several versions of Demucs, specializing in high-quality multi-stem separation. Each Demucs model version brings different capabilities and optimizations suited for various separation tasks. Here are the Demucs models supported and what makes each unique:

Demucs v1 and v2

Early versions of Demucs use a time-domain, wave-to-wave neural network approach. They are relatively lightweight and can separate stems into vocals, drums, bass, and other instruments, but generally offer lower separation fidelity compared to later versions.vocalremover.easeus

Demucs v3

Demucs v3 introduces improved neural architecture and larger training datasets. Separation quality increases, particularly for drum and bass stems, with fewer artifacts and better handling of complex mixes. It is more CPU- and GPU-intensive but produces cleaner, more natural sounding results.vocalremover.easeus

Demucs v4 (htdemucs)

The most widely used variant in UVR5 is Demucs v4, also called htdemucs (hybrid time-frequency Demucs). It combines time-domain processing with spectrogram information, dramatically improving separation for all stems:

htdemucs_ft: A fine-tuned version, even more precise at instrument and vocal isolation, especially for drum/bass extraction.audiosex
htdemucs_6s: Version for 6-stem separation (Vocals, Drums, Bass, Piano, Other, Guitar), offering more granular instrument isolation, though slightly more prone to “bleed” between stems than the 4-stem version.github+1
hdemucs_mmi: Multi-model inference for added consistency, usually recommended for nuanced splits.

Demucs 4-Stem and 6-Stem Modes

Demucs 4-stem (Vocals, Drums, Bass, Other): The default, providing balanced performance with minimal musical residue.s3sound
Demucs 6-stem (Vocals, Drums, Bass, Piano, Other, Guitar): Used for projects needing more detailed breakdown, though results can vary by song and genre.gearspace

Usage in UVR5

Users can select from these Demucs models in UVR5 under the process method dropdown, and different models may be preferable depending on whether the focus is on vocal clarity, instrument isolation, or overall naturalness.
Demucs models excel when used alone for quick separation, or within ensembles for optimal fidelity when combined with other model types.s3sound+2

In summary, UVR5 supports Demucs v1, v2, v3, v4 (htdemucs/htdemucs_ft), hdemucs_mmi, and both 4-stem and 6-stem Demucs variants, each providing different balances of speed, CPU/GPU demand, and separation accuracy.

Moises vs Studio one Pro

VR Architecture​

MDX-NET​

Demucs​

ONNX Dereverb​

DeEcho​

Ensemble Mode​

Summary Table​

Demucs v1 and v2​

Demucs v3​

Demucs v4 (htdemucs)​

Demucs 4-Stem and 6-Stem Modes​

Usage in UVR5​