Without looking for it, I stumbled across a video from bassist Marcelo in which he talks about the apparently very unfair at times YouTube Copyright system.
Perhaps because I watched that video a while back, YouTube then offered me up a second video today from another content creator who had his own work challenged.
I thought others may like to see these videos.
I think it matters to anyone who believes in fair play, and who appreciates the ability of content creators to give us educational and/or interesting content, without bogus copyright claims.
It is a fact for years now that the copyright claim system is absolutely broken. Iāve heard so from creators of different backgrounds.
Itās sad and if there was an alternative platform equally good and free and with monetization I would soft boycott YouTube but what are you gonna do?
Maybe there are suggestions in your videos. I havenāt watched them to be honest because the topic has become as bothersome as politics. If there are any constructive suggestions let me know and Iāll watch it.
I think if youāre familiar with the issue, the videos wonāt tell you anything you donāt already know.
I wasnāt familiar with the issue until now, and felt others might like to hear about it as well.
Itās happened to him, and it has also happened to Leland Sklar frequently, even when he played the bass lines that he himself created for so many songs. The appeal process is complex and difficult, and filing an appeal runs the risk of your entire channel being banned. This heavy handed use of power by YouTube is sad and depressing.
I agree @PamPurrs. One thing that came across in the videos is the content creators feel really under-powered to fight their case, and like you say the risks are high in fighting back.
I was kind of wondering why āPost Your Coversā donāt get taken down. Not enough views? Are people posting them as āprivateā unless the link is given out?
While this in general is a troublesome topic with lots of broken parts, I think the guy who claimed āI got blocked for playing my own guitar soloā sounds like heās claiming something slightly different than what happened. He got blocked for posting someone elseās video of him playing his guitar solo. Although he owns the guitar solo, he does not own the right to their production of him playing it.
Public (everyone can access and itās available in search)
I upload mine as unlisted and without monetizing so thereās no problem there I guess.
Apart from that you can also have your video public but without monetization.
the song is not recognized by Youtube because itās not popular at all. thatās the case for this one , and here there is absolutly no problem.
the song is flagged by Youtube but still visible. in this case, Youtube uses the video to show ads and the benefits go to the peoples who made the claim. itās the case for this one , and itās the most common case (at least for the kind of covers I do).
the song is flagged by Youtube and the video is removed. itās pretty rare in my experience. in fact it happend to me only once, so I uploaded the video directly on my website.
@Lanny was bored to see his videos removed to he decided to upload them only on his own website, where the Youtube robot doesnāt make his law.
I myself prefer to upload yo Youtube, see if the video if removed or not ā¦ if not I keep it there (even in the 2nd case), and if it is removed I upload the video to my website.
On my site, there are all the covers, on Youtube and on the site itself. this way, nothing is lost.
ā¦ still, this YT robocop is really unfair for the creators. a pain in the ass really.
I realize this thread is about YouTube, but as an alternative, Vimeo should be considered. It has more āhumanā rules about possible copyright infringements (e.g., if you donāt make money off of it; only for educational purposes; ā¦), which is why I moved over to that platform for posting covers etc.
For what itās worth: just because it is āyourā guitar solo or composition, doesnāt necessarily mean you canāt infringe somebody elseās copyright when using itā¦ for example, if your contract etc stipulates that your compositions and so on are now owned by your publisher, producer etc., then youād need to read the fine-print to decide what you still are allowed to do legally with what used to be āyourā work. I donāt know whether thatās the case in these videos - just sayingā¦
Yes, with a weekly upload limit (which I canāt imagine a casual user will exceed) and some extra features missing where you need a subscription.
YT took my King Crimson cover down within two days - it has been up on Vimeo ever since!
Yes. For us it works fine and I will upload mine there from now on.
As far as I can see vimeo has no ad monetization options - only video selling options and you rarely get people on the internet to buy something so Iām afraid most professional creative youtubers will stay.
I recently posted āI want to break freeā by Queen onto that thread. When trying the original track: it got taken down. So, the version I used as backing track was a cover from the ākaraoke-version.comā website.
Yup!! Got tired of the YTBS and just post everything to one of my websitesā¦ Donāt care if anyone ever watches or listens to anything I create. Actually, my focus is more into personal preservation of my musical experiences so that my kids, grandkids, and great grandkids can have something to make fun of once Iām pushing daisyās and providing a food source for the worms of the great state of Georgia!
Yeah @Lanny, when I get serious about doing covers (and finally finish the ones Iāve started), Iām just going to post them on my own site. Iām of the same mind as you, I donāt need the whole world to discover my stuff on YouTube. If I want to share it, Iāll just post a link directly to the piece on my site.
I think thatās brilliant @Lanny. I know you make light of it and say they can have a laugh, but a great way to inspire young people to take up and excel at an instrument is to see someone they admire showing whatās possible and how much fun can be had.
